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Jeremy Corbyn. How's it looking?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by willie45, Nov 8, 2015.

  1. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    To put it baldly, Corbyn is a decent man whose strongly held beliefs on national security have made him unelectable as PM. May is an opportunistic control freak whose lack of integrity and willingness to make deals with anyone from whom she can benefit make her the darling of the pressinista. It would be nice to think that Corbyn can overcome his idée fixe on nuclear weapons but it's probably too late already for him to get in front of May.
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  2. willie45

    willie45 Well-Known Member

    I am no fan of Ms May or Mr J either. But I don't bother about their antics in the way I bother about Mr Corbyn's.

    I don't find him to be either serious or thoughtful but confused and out of his depth. However I need to make clear, the reason I get so hacked off with Mr Corbyn is that I actually care about the Labour Party. My paternal grandfather was a lifelong socialist and a councillor who was an activist since the days of the General Strike, and that has been a tradition in our family ever since. I am so gutted by the state of the current Labour Party I resigned last year and it hurt me to do that. I am so frustrated by the situation and the inevitable prospect of us walking into another generation of Thatcher-style government I can't shut up about it!

    It isn't his politics that bugs me, it's just his eminent unsuitability to lead the party and even to the most untutored eye he'd be an obvious disaster as PM. He actually would make Ms May look like a stateswoman! It's tragic. The only people who should be pleased Mr Corbyn is where he is should be the Tories.
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  3. steveandthedogs

    steveandthedogs Well-Known Member

    So who would you put as leader of the opposition?

  4. Footloose

    Footloose Well-Known Member

    If I had to select a living individual - regardless of their political persuasions - I'd nominate Paddy Ashdown, but he's a life Peer so that probably means he cannot take on this job? He's had a hell of a lot of experience in dealing with (to put it mildly) lots of 'awkward' situations and probably knows more about the world at large than most other politicians.
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  5. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    +1 for Paddy. As you say he's kicked around a bit and in some seriously hazardous situations, plus he's had real experience of leadership.
    But as a peer not eligable.
  6. willie45

    willie45 Well-Known Member

    There's a dearth of suitable politicians these days but I'd say just about any of the other candidates for Labour leader, although pretty dire, were better bets than Mr Corbyn.
  7. Footloose

    Footloose Well-Known Member

    Regarding how he looks and performs, this week's copy of the Economist sums him up pretty well in the eyes of many - sadly they don't say who the cartoonist is ...


    I presume Mr Corbyn uses the same 'Tailor', his 'travelling' companion, Mr Foot, used?
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  8. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    The Economist pretends to a neutral stance but the cartoon tells us all we need to know about their real feelings. To me, none of them are fit to run things and in the long term May will be seen as an even worse scourge than Thatcher. The problem is that failing some form of divine intervention she's what we'll be stuck with.
  9. willie45

    willie45 Well-Known Member

    I'd say the cartoon was spot on. Ms May is only electable candidate and most people know it. I'm unhappy at the prospect of Ms May being in charge, but there it is.
  10. willie45

    willie45 Well-Known Member

    Actually here's one Labour supporter's reaction to learning that Mr Corbyn had been elected leader of the party

    WARNING !! For those who don't know, this is VERY sweary indeed!!!!

  11. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    But have you listened to him in a decent interview (strong emphasis on decent) ? If one takes only the fragments of rubbish that the media dish up about him on a daily basis, it would be very easy to come to the conclusion that you have articulated above. I've managed to hear him interviewed (properly) a couple of times, and whilst I wouldn't try to suggest that he provides an adrenalin rush of political excitement;), he doesn't come over as either confused, or out his depth. And THIS is what I'm complaining about... the one-sided media presentation is self-evidently, and very deliberately, creating the image of the confused idiot. And it's working.

    It isn't that I'm a great fan of Corbyn, but I'd like to see him properly represented in the media. For that matter, I'd like to see May properly represented in the media, but that ain't gonna happen, because the media is energetically painting her as a 'serious' politician. o_O

    We have precious little chance of getting anything other than a Tory government - even without media propaganda - but I'll wager that the media will be getting their 'choice' elected in the forthcoming election (I'd happily lose that wager, of course).
  12. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    She isn't. The other one doesn't wear leopard-print shoes, but he does wear some sort of feline 'footwear'... ;)
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  13. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    If you vote for May... you would not have a clue what you were voting for,..... she has proven herself to be an untrustworthy liar who has failed in all the offices she has held. Her election campaign is based on two sound bites that have been called out so many times that people just laugh when they are heard....

  14. willie45

    willie45 Well-Known Member

    Well folks, I suspect none of us want the outcome we're likely to get.

    It speaks volumes though, that despite the alternative being so obviously flawed, that Mr Corbyn remains so unpopular. Some clearly feel this is the work of the media; I don't. My view of him has been the same since before he was elected and before he started to attract the sort of media attention he has recently. I admit I don't trust his judgement, and I was really gutted when he won the leadership.

    We all have different views on how to get where we want to be, of course. I seem to have had this argument re the Labour Party just about all my adult life. So be it. In truth, I doubt the UK will see a government of the hue I want in my lifetime. I don't feel warm and fuzzy about that and I won't be basking in the warm consolation that Mr Corbyn is sincere or any of the other stuff people seem to hold onto.

    On a positive note, It's nice we can disagree civilly on this forum about political issues :)

    Listen, I've withdrawn my cat from political life as he's been a bit naughty in general, and, in particular, following an incident with some mackerel I had lying on a plate for my dinner the other night, I've concluded he really isn't any less of a liability in the diplomatic arena than Mr Corbyn so what will be will be. If he did that at the Palace....... :eek:

    I have decided to be philosophically amused rather than crying about it :)
  15. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    So very true - but doubtless it'll be portrayed as an 'effective' campaign:rolleyes:, and then all the gormless twerps will traipse off to the polling booth and vote for her party... plus ça change. o_O
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  16. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    In the end you only vote for the candidates in front of you...only a few will either vote for Treeza the liar or Jeremy the quiet man...

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  17. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    With that sort of behaviour, I suspect that he has 'turned'. He now wants his own dinner, but he wants yours, too. Selfishness and greed - just what one might expect from the running dogs(???:confused:) of capitalism...? ;)
  18. willie45

    willie45 Well-Known Member

    It is distressing to witness to be sure and it isn't the attitude I had encouraged in him. I had hoped that he'd take on board the " to each according to his needs " ethos but where mackerel is concerned he seems to feel the needs of others are of no consequence and, if you can't trust him in smaller things .......

    I've therefore concluded that he's not to be trusted in matters of foreign policy. It would only be a matter of time before he'd invade Poland or start using dodgy internet theses to justify bombing France or something, and we know where we end up when that happens

    Actually, I'm coming to the conclusion that, compared to my cat, Mr Corbyn is quite a good candidate after all ;) :D
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  19. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Your cat seems oddly symbolic of the Labour party as a whole... ;)
  20. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    I'm beginning to wonder whether a hung parliament might be a desirable way to bang a few heads together...........................!?


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