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I never thought I'd write this but...

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Andrew Flannigan, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    ...why are they piling into Boris? He made a comment about what some people considere a bizarre fashion. So what's wrong with that? Are we no longer allowed to comment on the strange practices of some religions? What price Freedom of Speech in the new theocracy?
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  2. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Andrew,

    Yes, it does come hard to agree with the Boride, but as the old saying has it, even if the biggest fool in the world says that a blue sky is blue, it's still blue.

    Spare a thought, too, for motorcyclists, who are required to remove full-face helmets in banks and the like.


  3. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    Unless of course it is dark grey with thunderclouds
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  4. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    He is the MP for the next constituency, I don't much like a lot of what he says but I do support his right to say it. Freedom of speech precludes a freedom not to be offended, as far as I am concerned, if free speech offends, tough. Not that one should use that freedom to deliberately offend.
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  5. gray1720

    gray1720 Well-Known Member

    It's worth pointing out that he obviously doesn't know of what he speaks (like that's new) - a Burka covers the eyes,the "letter box" is a niqab.

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  6. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Roger,

    You will note, when you re-read what I said (which was what you quoted), that I was careful to say "that a blue sky is blue".


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  7. TheFatControlleR

    TheFatControlleR :Devil's Advocaat: Forum Admin

    As an aside, I understand R4 Today did BoJo the courtesy of reading out a large section of the Telegraph piece 'to give context' to his offending comment.

    Looking forward to similar courtesy being extended to the likes of Corbyn, Abbot, Starmer, etc. in future. :rolleyes:
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  8. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    He's the Member (With malice aforethought) for my constituancy). Until I move to Dorset.
  9. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    it's all a conspiracy against Brexit and Brexiteers;) They'll be saying next that David Davies fiddles his expenses
  10. Gezza

    Gezza Well-Known Member

    I don’t see that happening for a day or two.
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  11. frank1

    frank1 Well-Known Member

    Do we want another Trump like figure in power. He has said it to garner support from the right wing of the party. All he is doing is using a minority of people to further his political agenda. This is not about offence this is about using a minority group. On the other side we have Corbyn and the Jewish thing against Johnson and the Arab thing. Party lines are drawn yay.

    If politicians can say what they want all the time then we are all working with Trump in the new era of say what you think and damn the consequences. If as a society we allow all religious freedom then we must allow it. If we want to curtail them then let's vote for Johnson. I mean if we want to get back to the wonderful relationship with the good old US of A. BlowJob will be a great PM, Donald and I have a great relationship we had an excellent discussion on the UK banning Muslims from the country's Donald's chosen.

    As an individual he can say what he likes as a politician he has to be careful what he says. Motorcyclists may have to take their helmets off in a bank. I'm trying to think of a time when a bank was held up by women wearing burkas.
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  12. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Can't see how cheap jokes at the expense of people who (whether we like it or not) are sincere, helps anyone, except someone courting fairly banal views.

    I would not include banning them in that. They should be banned. They are tribal, not religious (far as I know).
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  13. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    au contraire mon ami - I want all politicians to say exactly what they believe and not what they think will get my vote.
  14. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Frank,

    Dunno. There are however well-documented cases of men disguising themselves in burqas to avoid recognition and capture, and of suicide bombers wearing them. Very few men wear crash helmets to commit acts of terrorism. The argument is that we can judge quite a lot from someone's face, and (if they don't blow themselves to pieces) we have a better chance of catching them afterwards than if they are dressed as ambulating black tents. Or disguise their faces with crash helmets.


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  15. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear David,

    You couldn't make it up, could you?

    Fortunately you don't have to.

    Actually, "fiddles" is unfair. We don't know that he's still doing it. Only that he was at one time fiddling, so "fiddled" would be more accurate.


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  16. frank1

    frank1 Well-Known Member

    Surely Andrew everything a politician says is designed to get your vote and in the current climate of using minorities to get them. It becomes rather distasteful, I would like to think we are better than that. If the tories or Johnson want to get votes from the right of the nation as opposed to giving them to UKIP. Then it will happen because the great BJ will suck my left tit to get them. E
  17. frank1

    frank1 Well-Known Member

    Roger moped riders are a menace on our streets. Let's see what the figures are on people using the Burka to commit crimes against motorcyclists using helmets to hide their faces.
  18. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    Anyone with a minimally functioning brain would know that such remarks would cause offence. If one makes such remarks in the sure and certain knowledge that said remarks would cause offence then the conclusion that the offence is deliberate is inescapable.

  19. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    In this case I happen to agree with the distasteful Boris.
    This is true but as has been pointed out previously there is no right not to be offended. If there were we wouldn't be able to express our views about Boris.
  20. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    No there isn't, but there is a law against inciting religious or racial hatred, and I would say that this appalling man is getting closer to the mark than a mainstream politician should.

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