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Goodbye David....

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by AGW, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. Footloose

    Footloose Well-Known Member

    2 of the Torys 9 Vice-Chairmen have now resigned, Ms Caulfield who supported Leave in the EU referendum and Mr Bradley, who backed Remain.

    In her resignation letter, Ms Caulfield said the proposed new trading relationship with the EU did not "fully embrace the opportunities that Brexit can provide", whilst Mr Bradley said that the "backstop" position on customs to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland, was becoming "the barrier to the kind of wide-ranging free trade agreement with the EU that many would like to see".

    This boat is beginning to sink and the rats are jumping overboard.
     
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  2. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Leaving a stinking ship.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  3. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    As indeed most of us predicted when the Leavers were put in charge of negotiating brexit. They were given their shot and have come back with nothing. May has stepped in and imposed what looks like sense if you take the secret report into expected effects of brexit into account (which the rabid Leavers don't).

    Brexit always meant that we would end up being forced to mirror European laws, but with no say in them. We have not been independent of international laws for centuries and neither has anyone else. All brexit does is remove our say in what ultimately will still control us.
     
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  4. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Cameron got carried away and spouted lots of nonsense, but most of what the Remain side said was based on what experts were saying would happen - almost all of which looks like it's what will happen if something doesn't change.
    That was always the bitterest irony of all - it takes away control and sovereignty.
     
  5. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    I think some people were put off based on the experience of the Scottish independence referendum - many companies claimed there would be job losses/closures if there was a yes vote. Scotland voted no and within a year and a half most of those companies cut the jobs/closed sites regardless. Some in business are always looking for a scapegoat, so "yes" and "leave" attracted a lot of this. That's not to say that all such claims are sneaky; doubtless a UK out of the EU will result in significant impacts.
     
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  6. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    Rats & sinking/stinking ships or rattles being thrown out of prams?? If May has had her ear bent by the CBI, for example, well, that's part of theirs and her job. The question then is, to what extent are they bluffing and does she want to play call my bluff with them, despite the experience with the Scottish referendum? The whole thing is quite simply a gamble with the options of playing safe in hope that this will minimise any potential economic and social damage, or going for broke with the risk of total ruin. Those with ideological tunnel-vision may be all for bluff calling but, if they lose, for them taking the Pilate option may turn out to be a barrel-burst. Then again, they've probably all got connections with Panama, the British Virgin Islands and so on so they'll be "all right Jack."
    Apart from that, if the Tory party splits over the issue, that'll be fine by me.

    Lynn
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018
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  7. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    Then we'd have an ACTUAL benefit from Brexit...!! :)
     
  8. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Why would they? Nothing for them in saying the opposite of what they think is true.

    BTW the Tory party has been split on EU for 40 years.
     
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  9. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    From The New York Times, Thursday 12.7.2018:

    .........Boris Johnson - a politician whose ambition and superficial charm far outstrip his ability, judgment or principles............

    On top of that, Trump apparently wants to meet Bojo rather than Treez during his London visit...........

    Takes one to know one?

    Lynn
     
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  10. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    comparing hairstyles no doubt
     
  11. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    And riding bikes? ;)
     
  12. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Does Boris still hold US citizenship? Maybe offering him a job. ;)
     
  13. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Christ, what a scenario that would be.
     
  14. steveandthedogs

    steveandthedogs Well-Known Member

    Or "How to wreck America's economy in one easy lesson".

    S
     
  15. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    He's offering Boris the job.....of British Prime Minister, isn't he?
     
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  16. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    Ego the size of the North American continent, gob the size of the Grand Canyon, intellect and brain the size of an orange lentil..............I'll leave the matter of 'who' up to you! One size fits all, or nearly all?

    Lynn
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2018
  17. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Governor of the 51st State, perhaps. Although as the US is now subservient to Moscow, not sure how it all fits together. ;)
     
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  18. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Nick,

    Oblast, surely.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  19. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Well clearly he is giving Putin the job of getting Boris elected.
     
  20. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    A pinch of nowitschok can work wonders.......................

    Lynn
     

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