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General Election 2015

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Zou, Jan 29, 2015.

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  1. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Exactly. The myth of there being no Tory support in Scotland is quite entrenched, but still a myth. They probably account for 20% or more of the vote when levelled out and considering the various elected bodies.

    Cameron to introduce PR? ;)
  2. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    Will David Milliband now return to fulfil his destiny as leader of the Labour Party
  3. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    He's suitably Blair-ite, so maybe. But any delusions of Labour being either socialists or representing the working class will be put to rest.
  4. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Or go into coalition with Yvette Cooper?
  5. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Farage, resigned.
    Clegg, resigned.
    Miliband, resigned.
    Murphy, it's no ma fault.

    And they wonder why they lost all but one seat...
  6. art

    art Well-Known Member

    UKIP seems to have made the most progress in this election.

    9.5% increase in their share of their overall vote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

    and 20 seats gained in the council elections, according to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results/councils

    Indeed it's looking like ALL main parties increased their share of the vote except the LibDems, so they are the ones who have really paid the price this election, with their share of the vote looking to be fairly evenly spread among all the others.

    I must say that I think the LibDems have been somewhat unfairly judged. Yes, I know they reneged on many of their 2010 manifesto pledges, but as they were a minor player in the coalition was it really fair to expect them to be able to deliver everything they were promising?

    Perhaps if Clegg had simply abstained from the tuition fee vote then he might have maintained some integrity but actively voting against his 'red line' policy was probably a step too far.

    The other interesting thing about the results is that although the SNP has swept the board in terms of seats, they've 'only' won about 1.4m votes compared to the decimated LibDems who still won about 2.4m votes (these figure may change slightly as the last few results come in). So there's no doubt the LibDems have suffered twice over in this election; a huge loss of seats but still very much under-represented according to their share of the vote - compared to the SNP anyway.
  7. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    It seems clear that socialist policies make you unelectable in this country.

    It's odd, given that so many people claim to be unhappy with the right of centre bias that's been the norm for thirty five years, but that's the British for you. Is it any wonder that the French keep calling us perfide Albion?
  8. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Poor choice of dress for Mrs Cameron... looks like David Copperfield has had a go at cutting her in half.

  9. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Ah! Don't! ROFL :D
  10. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Is it any wonder the Scots have had a great relationship and empathy with the French?
  11. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Yes there is always an underlying spirit that your destiny is ultimately in your hands, slightly less than in US, but there non the less.

    The collapse of "working class" identity following the '70s has been discussed and I believe was a watershed.

    I have to say many people are insulted by "working people" rhetoric. So white collar people don't work? And blue collars all need state help?
  12. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    My turn to laugh!

    Socialist parties are not electable because those most in need of them are deliberately misinformed and told to be distrustful of them. Populist government after populist government has driven home the message that welfare, benefits and support are a drain of YOUR money and turned those on low or no income against each other (and the sick, disabled and foreign of course).

    I'm not convinced that the UK has had a socialist party in my lifetime which has had the means to spread its message to those who need it most.

    The electorate has been conditioned to want conservatism, so that's what they'll vote for. :(
  13. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    One of my pet hates about socialists and anarchists is their constant reference to class and class warfare. I don't believe in class in this way - we should not be defined in this manner, rather by how we act and treat each other. The rich are no enemy of mine and I do not propose to take anything from them. As I've said before, we need to take personal action, become involved in running our own affairs, and start respecting those around us for their actions, not their wealth, status or privilege. That's got nothing to do with class, it's just humanity.
  14. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Your reaction puzzles me.
    Read your history.
    The original alliance that granted dual citizenship in both countries was eventually revoked by the French government in 1903.

    I am pleased to see so many women going to Westminster.
  15. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Westminster will not have looked so clean, all that extra dusting and hoovering. ;)
  16. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    _)O(_ An Eric Morecambe for you young man!:p
  17. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

  18. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    There's a thought. How many votes could we (Scots) garner from our European neighbours, I wonder...
  19. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    One thing I foresee as a forthcoming problem - and excuse for action will be that referendum re European membership...
  20. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    This is a very socialist viewpoint which I have heard endlessly from the big NGOs in the years I have been interfacing with them on social and environmental sustainability issues: That the struggling masses are so misled that they can't even see what's good for them. It is an argument they use to justify their own existence as people who are more intelligent and able to see through the misinformation and therefore more fit to lead.

    It is fundamentally patronising and self-serving and no wonder that more and more people refuse to identify with the rhetoric and line up behind these champions of the downtrodden, ignorant, and fatally misled. They do not identify themselves as such and it is hard to keep them in the compliant mental state they might have been in 100 or more years ago.
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