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General Election 2015

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Zou, Jan 29, 2015.

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  1. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Well, less than 100 days to go and the campaigns are well under way. Probably too early for any proper predictions, but when did that ever stop us? ;)

    At this stage, I can sadly say I see the current lot just edging it with UKIP/DUP/Lib Dem support, or perhaps a 'grand coalition' of the red and blue tories as an outside possibility. UKIP to get a couple of seats above the two they have now, Lib Dems almost literally decimated, and the SNP to pick up 20+. If the SNP did enter any agreement with Labour (which Labour would be pathologically inclined to reject in any circumstances but the direst) they would surely be tainted by association, and any bargaining/concessions would still be shot down by rebel Labour English MPs. In other words, marginal gain for Labour, no benefit to SNP.

    Funnily enough, on the day Ed Miliband came to Glasgow to promise a 'home rule bill' (somewhat proving that the Smith Commission delivered 'powers' are nothing of the sort, despite Labour's protestations, and Labour's own watering down of what the other parties wanted in the report) you can get the best indication of the state of 'Scottish' Labour by typing the following into Google and seeing the suggested searches: Scottish Labour is :rolleyes:

    As for my own constituency, I have no firm idea of who I will vote for. My current MP is Mark Lazarowicz, who has a broadly admirable voting history in parliament, but stands shoulder to shoulder with red tory colleagues who voted for further cuts which have hit his constituents. He shall not get my vote. It remains to be seen who the SSP, Greens and SNP are putting up for the seat, but I can see this one going down to the personalities of the candidates. Despite Labour's threats, there really is no even remotely viable situation in which a vote for the SNP would result in more seats for tories, so I can cast my vote for one of the three pro-Scotland parties knowing it won't have any negative ramifications. :) Interesting times.
     
  2. Ffolrord

    Ffolrord Well-Known Member

    My constituency is interesting. The MP is Caroline Lucas of the Greens who has actually been a really good constituency MP. The Green Party also run the local council but they have proved themselves an absolute fiasco, clueless. I think it is good for the Greens to have a voice in parliament but I don't think the performance of the party as a whole should be rewarded so Carloline will have probably lost my vote this time.
     
  3. miked

    miked Well-Known Member

    Oh, Zou, what can I possibly say other than, "AAAAAaaargh!" Haven't we suffered enough political claptrap on TV, radio and in newspapers since Christmas? God forbid the next four months or so for some of us must surely be wishing we could be absent from these shores for the first half of the year.
     
  4. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    I've heard that a lot. :(

    I've been very happy with my Green MSPs and MEPs, and would have no qualms about seeing more like them in parliament.
     
  5. Dorset_Mike

    Dorset_Mike Grumpy Old Fart

    I still think we should have a "none of the above" option.

    Might be interesting to see the percentage that would get.
     
  6. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Perhaps best you ignore this thread Mike... I don't watch TV, listen to the radio, or read newspapers, so I really don't have a clue how much you've suffered. :p
     
  7. Ffolrord

    Ffolrord Well-Known Member


    It's paradoxical really. They are fine in parliament where they perform a lobbyist role but you really don't want them to have any real responsibility. In Brighton they wanted to hold a referundum - at vast cost to the local taxpayer - to find out whether the people of Brighton would like to pay a massive increase in their council tax bills. Clowns.
     
  8. steveandthedogs

    steveandthedogs Well-Known Member

    Any party which opposes building a new nuclear power plant on Anglesey.
    There will be precious few local jobs after the construction, and the plans in the event of a major emergency include possibly evacuating people from 1.6km around the plant and possibly giving Potassium iodate tablets to people in the nearest 4km.
    I think Labour are in favour, the Tories are rubbing heir hands, I think Plaid are in favour, so that leaves the Greens for me.

    S
     
  9. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    I have always been a floating voter. This time I shall vote Conservative. Not because I am a 'Tory', I'm not. This is a case of better the devil you know.

    The biggest problem Labour have got in my opinion is their leader. No way can I imagine Ed Miliband as a Prime Minister.
     
  10. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Here are my predictions...


    1. There will be an election.
    2. Some people will win the election and more will lose.
    3. Enormous amounts of paper, air time and bandwidth will be wasted telling us who we should vote for.
    4. Many people will predict the outcome of the election. Some will be right and some will be wrong.
    5. Eventually, one party will win outright or no party will win outright.
    6. Whatever happens, some people will be agrieved at the outcome and others will be elated.
    7. The meja will spend the following five years analysing the results and explaining why their earlier predictions were actually right, even if their readers think otherwise.
    8. Five years later, or perhaps sooner, the whole farago will be repeated.
    9. At the end of this, nothing much will have changed, unless it actually has.
    10. We will still not really care much, unless we care a lot.

    Clear? Good, next week I'll explain which religion is actually correct and why...

    [​IMG]
     
  11. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    Tony Blair is I think the only Labour leader who has actually been at the helm of a Labour election win in the last forty years. Correct me if I am wrong please. Ed Miliband as PM, only in a parallel universe, please.

    Our local (Labour) MP who is normally well nigh invisible has suddenly surfaced again.
     
  12. Bejay

    Bejay Well-Known Member

    While I have nothing personal against our incumbent Ed Vaizey (he did intervene on a housing issue on my behalf a few years ago), I would never support him politically. That said, given the demographics of this constituency the Tories could put a stuffed parrot up as candidate and it would be elected.
     
  13. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    Election ... Someone wake me when it's over .....zzzzzzzzzz
     
  14. art

    art Well-Known Member

    You missed one.

    11. No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
     
  15. art

    art Well-Known Member

    Tony Bliar? A 'Labour' leader of a 'Labour' party?

    Even he is not that duplicitous and at least had the good grace to invent 'New Labour' as a cover for stealing the Tory middle ground.
     
  16. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Hi nimbus,
    That was Labour's big ambition: to be re-elected from a full term to a full term. They still haven't achieved that. Apparently, it rankles a bit. Even Blair couldn't do it but he did win twice, which again was an ambition and I think you're right. Wilson's win the in the 1966 election came after less than half a term from 1964. The first 1974 'win' was minority win and they had to be supported by a pact with the Liberals.
    Cheers, Oly
     
  17. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    And, DM, what effect that it might have on turnout. ;) Cheers, Oly
     
  18. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Mark, I've listened to 'Won't get fooled again' by The Who a few times recently. If you're not careful I'll post a loud link to it on here! ;):D Cheers, Oly
     
  19. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    It worked, with large working majorities, probably too large. Which tells me that a large number of people who vote do not want hard left or hard right policies. David Cameron I would place at the left of the Conservative party, whilst Tony Blair was at the right of Labour, or New Labour if you prefer, leaving not a huge gap in many areas. I certainly do not regard Blair as a socialist, then again I do not regard many socialists in that light, they tend to believe in socialism, for everybody else but themselves.
     
  20. art

    art Well-Known Member

    Yes, it certainly worked and in that respect was a masterclass in how to grab power, which sort of defeats the point of democracy doesn't it? Whatever happened to voting for principled politicians who didn't blow left or right in the wind of public opinion or parties bringing out a detailed manifesto BEFORE all the focus groups have told them what sections of the electorate want what, so that they can carefully tailor their manifestos to maximise votes.

    Oh well, like I said, I think I'll give it all a miss.
     
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