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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Footloose, Sep 21, 2017.

  1. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    That reminds me about the very interesting programme shown earlier this week on "Yesterday" (used to be the History Channel). It was about the Wilhelm Gustloff which was a Nazi cruise ship sunk by a Russian submarine in 1945. The 9,343 who were killed make it the biggest loss of life from one ship in recorded history. 5,000 of the dead were children. The horrible thing about it was that instead of sailing under a Red Cross it was flying the Nazi ensign and surrounded by a strong naval escort making it an entirely legitimate target. :(
     
  2. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Ah, yes. Housing and infrastructure...

    The UK doesn't need to provide any of these because everything is the EU's fault!

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  3. Bazarchie

    Bazarchie Well-Known Member

    You are jumping to the wrong conclusion.

    Some forums' software allows you to tick a box to ignore a thread.
     
  4. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Then again, why would you need to?

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  5. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Andrew,

    Fascinating! But as far as I can see, it was also carrying 1000 soldiers and other military/Nazi personnel, and far from being strong, the naval escort was one torpedo boat. See http://www.dw.com/en/70-years-on-little-known-about-the-wilhelm-gustloff-sinking/a-18226012 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  6. IvorCamera

    IvorCamera Well-Known Member

    Errr, A Boy named Sue....how do you do!
     
  7. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member


    According to the programme that's not necessarily true. It claims that 3 more torpedo boats and a destroyer were on the scene within 15 minutes but they might just have been passing. On the other hand the Kriegsmarine could be quite sneaky and weren't above baiting a trap with their own civilians. A lot of documents went missing from the enquiry but that might have just been the chaos at the end of the war or something more sinister. Perhaps the truth will emerge if more documents come to light.
     
  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Back on topic: the Tories are living up to David Cameron's promise to be "green" by wrecking the economy with Brexit...

    They're not planning anything to replace it, mind: nothing like Kate Raworth's Doughnut Economics. No: they're just going to stick with the current model and wreck it (that last link is to the Moody's downgrade).

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  9. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    I will always be a citizen of the planet Earth first, European 2nd, British 3rd, English 4th, Londoner 5th, Man of Kent 6th and Lincolnshire Yellow Belly 1010th: Who drew these bloody lines on a map anyway ?
     
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  10. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Mark,

    Usually, some bugger with a big sharp sword, which is why the lines are so often bloody.

    What was the actual advantage to the average Cornishman of the slow English invasion between the 7th and 11th centuries? Or the average Breton when in 1532 they were subsumed into France?

    There's a big difference between voluntarily joining a bigger grouping for mutual benefit, and being invaded by a neighbouring state, who often relied on the help of mercenaries.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  11. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    "The first thing we do, let's kill all the cartographers" :D
     
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  12. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    Hey. COOL IT!!!

    Lynn
     
  13. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member


    Oops! Sorry... ;)
     
  14. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    or even remoaner.
     
  15. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    Even if we leave we shall join again after Farage passes away.... ooohh watch out for that number nine bus and that Uber driver Farage.
     
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  16. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    Despite the (usually) modest salaries offered, there could be reasons to pursue a career in public transport... ;):D
     
  17. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Our bus drivers are a fine body of men. Can't see them putting up with a lying git for long.
     
  18. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    While Farage was a leading rabble rouser, it was the rabble that voted for brexit.
    It is they who have to come to their senses.
    It is they who must be shown where their real interests lie.
     
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  19. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the delay in replying - what year? How could I possibly know what year your photograph, entitled 'Mossley - 1963' was taken in?

    Cheers, Jeff
     
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  20. steveandthedogs

    steveandthedogs Well-Known Member

    Not the photo, what year did it open?

    S

    Quick thinking, will it save the day?
     

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