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Follow my journey into photography...

Discussion in 'Web Sites of Interest' started by cambridgescene, Jul 19, 2014.

  1. cambridgescene

    cambridgescene New Member

    I'm very new to photography but I'm about to start a diploma in it. Follow my journey and see my photos progress by liking my facebook page www.facebook.com/cambridgescene :)
     
  2. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Why?

    Sorry to be rude, but there's an awful lot on Facetube and Youbook. Why should we "follow" you? A couple of pictures of a young man holding a camera, a bee on a flower and a kitten shot do not provide me with a strong incentive to "follow" or "like" you.

    When I see some good pictures -- and when you can be arsed to post them here instead of directing us to a link -- I might look at your work again. Probably not before. I've just come back from the Rencontres Photographiques at Arles where I saw 150+ exhibitions featuring the work of hundreds of photographers, and your work just ain't interesting yet.

    This may sound curmudgeonly as hell, but you need to give people a REASON to bother with you instead of someone else. Especially if you want to work professionally, which is the only reason I can imagine you want a diploma.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2014
  3. cambridgescene

    cambridgescene New Member

    Alright calm down! The point of it is to see my photos progress. Fair enough if you're not interested it's simple don't like the page. I think it would be good if these forums provided a supportive environment for those interested in photography.
     
  4. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    They do. But you've not really shown us how you're interested, what you want to learn, how you want to develop your original vision. We'll all do our best. A facetube link is less than nothing. Tell us more!

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  5. mikeh201355

    mikeh201355 Well-Known Member

    I sympathise with Roger's comments - if you want us to follow your progress then please post images on this site where we can see it with no inconvenience. But my issue is that I refuse point blank to register with facebook so anyone like me will not see your photos. And secondly asking us to 'like' you page is somewhat cheeky? Surely if anyone finds your page interesting they will 'like' it out of choice.
     
  6. cambridgescene

    cambridgescene New Member

    Sorry I'm new to the forum so don't know how it all works. Don't worry I won't be back.
     
  7. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    Why is the phrase "Sorry to be rude" almost always followed by rudeness of the first order?

    Only if curmudgeonly is the same as rude.

    How about the satisfaction of working towards a goal for its own sake? Or a means of learning in a structured environment?

    I agree that the OP hasn't necessarily phrased their introduction in a way that is necessarily recognisable and acceptable to the older generation, or for those who simply don't "get" Facebook and other social media, but as a welcome to this forum your response fell far short of what's acceptable in my eyes.

    Cambridgescene - welcome to Amateur Photographer. I hope you'll find the site useful and inspiring and a place where you can enhance your photographic journey in addition to your more formal studies.

    There are two "galleries" here that you might find useful. One is the Appraisal Gallery where you can upload images that you'd like others to constructively critique with the aim of helping you improve. The other is the Exhibition Gallery where you can share images that you're pleased with and don't expect to have them critiqued. The Appraisal Gallery is not for the faint-hearted but most people are honest and honestly trying to help so it is worth taking a deep breath and seeing what folk say as a starting point for learning and improving.

    Kath
     
  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Kath,

    Yes -- provided you can be arsed to do anything more than spray facebook links around.

    How would you react if someone walked up to you and said, "I want to talk about me, but first, here's your homework before you do." How does this post differ?

    There's rudeness, and there's realism.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2014
  9. grove39

    grove39 Well-Known Member

    Can somebody follow me too, i fall over a lot.
     
  10. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    That would depend on the circumstances. If it was someone I'd never met, in a situation where it was obvious that they were new and not familiar with local protocols, I hope I'd take a deep breath, swallow any initial annoyance at their faux pas and gently suggest a more appropriate way forward. Of course, I may be kidding myself and perhaps I would tell them that I couldn't be bothered talking to them until they could prove that they had something interesting to talk about, but I do hope not.
     
  11. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    No. I might trip.
     
  12. grove39

    grove39 Well-Known Member

    I'm actually still confused as to how you can get a Diploma in Photography.

    I understood that any work you would get was by word of mouth or previous work etc, not just a bit of paper that basically says you read a lot of stuff and remembered it.
     
  13. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member


    What if you don't necessarily need it for work? What if you want to learn and don't feel that you are in a position to "teach yourself"? What if you feel like you'd prefer to have a tutor, and one-to-one feedback? What if you desperately need to get out of the house and are hoping to find some like minded people that you might end up socialising with as well as learning with?

    I don't know much about Diplomas but all those reasons applied to me when I decided to do an HNC in photography. And some of them applied when I decided to continue my studies and go to art school to do a degree in Communication Design. I'm a forty-six year old mother of three with twenty years experience in the work place and I don't "need" to go and get a degree. I just want to - to prove to myself that I can as much as anything else. I'm not going to try and dissuade anyone who wants to study a subject they're interested in just because you don't "need" to do it that way.
     
  14. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Kath,

    But under which "local protocols" is it OK to say, "I want to talk about me, but first, here's your homework before you do"?

    None that I have ever encountered.

    As I said to the OP, I saw a hell of a lot of good pictures at Arles. None of the dozens of unknown photographers I met assumed that anyone would automatically be interested. They assumed (realistically) that you had to show people good pictures to get their attention.

    There's also a phenomenon known as "paying your dues", which means that you hang about on the fringes for a little while, finding out how things work, before butting in. It needn't be long, and if you're good enough -- Lucien Clergue springs to mind -- you can push your way in very quickly indeed. But you still need something to persuade people you're worth bothering with. In photography it's normally either brilliant pictures or questions people can help you with. The OP provided neither.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2014
  15. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Kath,

    But what are you proving to yourself?

    Essentially, that you can meet a tutor's expectations. You may be a brilliant photographer -- but what has that to do with a diploma? I have a lot more faith in my ability to study on my own, studying what interests me, talking with fellow photographers, reading books, going to exhibitions, than in my ability to meet someone else's explanations of what they think I ought to know.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  16. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    Dear Roger,

    I chose to read something different between the OP's lines. Where you read "I want to talk about me, but first, here's your homework before you do," I read "Hello, I'm incredibly excited about starting to learn some more about photography and I've chosen to document my progress on Facebook and I'd love to share that with anyone who's interested; here is the mechanism by which you could do that."

    It might be, that "curmudgeonly" folk interpret that as rudeness and arrogance. Does that mean they should respond rudely? I don't think so.
     
  17. Fen

    Fen Well-Known Member

    You obviously have no idea on what you are taking about!

    I've just spent four yours at Uni getting a 'bit of paper to wave about' as it is necessary for the photographic work I want to do.

    A lot of corporations still have an 'old school' mindset where they believe that you need a degree to be able to do a specific job.

    I've actually been through interview processes where I've got down to the last three people (all three of us called in on the same day) and in the final part of the interviews had the question asked "Where did you study?", and then had the door closed in my face for not having a degree.


    As to the OPs post... We all have to begin somewhere!

    It might have been better if they had phrased their comment a bit different as (some) forums don't really work the same way as other social media sites, but as they said, they are new to forums so you could at least cut him some slack rather than attacking first and asking later :(
     
  18. mikeh201355

    mikeh201355 Well-Known Member

    So is your beef with the OP that they introduced themselves with a link to facebook or that they are taking a diploma in photography that you see as worthless?
    If the latter then I think you have been extremely unfair to them.
     
  19. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Mike,

    Neither. My beef is that he gave me no reason whatsoever to take any interest in his progress, whether by showing me brilliant pictures (I followed the link, which proved to be a waste of time, hence my pique) or by asking meaningful questions. All he said was LOOK AT ME! Then he followed it up with an even more self-centred request to "like" him.

    See also my reply to Fen, below.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  20. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    Dear Roger,

    I'm delighted that you have been blessed with such faith and confidence in yourself. We're not all so lucky. In my late teens/early twenties, I made some terrible choices and wasted some perfectly good opportunities. I saw going back to school now, in my forties, as a chance to show that actually I could study, and learn and be open to new experiences; to show that I could start something and stick with it long enough to finish it, and finish it well; to prove to myself that I'm not the failure I've always assumed I was. Just because you've never felt that need, I'd appreciate it if you didn't disparage my own desire to overcome a lack of confidence in myself.

    Also, every time someone here posts in appraisal, are they not looking to someone else for feedback? Are they not putting their work up against some kind of yardstick by which to tell if they are improving or not? What's the difference really whether that feedback comes from a tutor, or an Amateur Photographer Street Photography Masterclass or a bunch of enthusiasts on a website? Just because something works for you doesn't make it a universal solution.

    Best regards

    Kath
     

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