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Crowd Vs Judges

Discussion in 'Talking Pictures' started by Rasha, May 20, 2017.

  1. Rasha

    Rasha Well-Known Member

    It's been a while since the last time I made any contributions, so hope all of you are in a good shape.
    Since APOY is now only available on Photo crowd (much less hassle for me personally and pretty sure it was the same for the magazine team), I've been checking out other competitions as well and it's really interesting to me how the judges winner and crowd winners were not even closely ranked. For example Judge winner is ranked #150 by the crowd and vice versa.
    Which got me into thinking of commercialism and making successful sales Vs making good photographs and what does it mean to make a good photograph, as techniques are not really everything.
    I've reached a couple of conclusions but thought it was also interesting to get your opinion on this one.
  2. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    The consensus seemed to me to be that the crowd voting is a bit of fun for those that like that kind of thing.
  3. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    I think those who like to get badges, play the crowd game. It's a bit like all those awful awards on Flickr. Meaningless, but some must love them amd give meaning to their lives. Most of us, I presume, simply can't be um... bothered!
    The important one to like your picture is YOU!
  4. IvorCamera

    IvorCamera Well-Known Member

    Lord forgive them for they know not what they are doing.....
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  5. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what's supposed to be wrong here. It's all about what the customer likes whether they're paying you money or voting for your picture.
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  6. Rasha

    Rasha Well-Known Member

    Nothing is wrong, it's just triggering some thoughts :)
  7. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    I have never seen club members judging their competitions agree with external judges either. Also by a very wide margin.
  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Rasha,

    To hell with the imaginary "customer".

    Trying to please other people leads to clichés and artistic death.

    If YOUR vision is good, others will appreciate it.

    Concentrate on what YOU see (and you're on the way there), and you may become a great photographer. Concentrate on what OTHERS want to see, and it'll be a lot more difficult.


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  9. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    Broadly speaking crowd votes tend to reflect the 'average' view of all the contributing votes - even if the crowd is made up mostly photographers rather than the general; public. The more voters you have the greater the chance of something fairly middle of the road coming out on top, something not too dull nor too radical but something nice...

    With judges you are dealing with single opinions or small panels often comprising of individuals with quite definite opinions and jaded photographic palates; this tends toward them looking for pictures which stand out from the average. This doesn't always mean the picture is good, that generally depends on your personal definition of good, but it does usually mean that it's very unlikely to rank high in any popular vote...

    All this tends to mean that commercially the more middle of the road works sells quite well though little and often whereas the more radical image may sell only occasionally but possibly for a higher price.

    C'est la vie photographique...:rolleyes:
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  10. miked

    miked Well-Known Member

    To put it even more succinctly than Roger, "A nouveau clichè is never going to make you a nouveau richè
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  11. Rasha

    Rasha Well-Known Member

    Spot on, C'est la vie.

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