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Are pubs boring now?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Clive, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    Interesting point but some anecdotal evidence for you. My mother had a subarachnoid haemorrhage in June 2000. The likelihood is that this was either caused or at the very least intensified by her 40 a day smoking habit. Since that date she has lived a life of drug mollified limbo confined to nursing care at a large cost to both the state and the family. Paralysed throughout her right side and unable to eat solid foods now she is in every other way she is relatively healthy - the end is in no way near for her. So she could easily live another three years or longer. That’s a minimum of ten years of not being able to communicate properly, not being able to control your own surroundings, not being able to eat a decent meal, not being able to go to the toilet, not being able to read, not having the attention span to watch anything on television longer than a clip on You’ve Been Framed.’ All this is only the effect on her and I haven’t even started on the effect it’s had on the family. That’s the reality of smoking, not the romantic notion of a smoker keeling over with a heart attack in his prime at sixty.
     
  2. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    I never have stated that. There are plenty of next people who are stupid at times and I'm certainly one of them. But as a turn of phrase, which is what it is - no more no less, it's perfectly fair to call people stupid for the arguments reasoned above.
     
  3. ian_g

    ian_g Well-Known Member

    At the time I started smoking, it was considered a potential health-hazard but certainly not one (as far as I'm aware) that was the major cause of lung cancer and heart disease. I may be wrong though, we're talking mid-eighties when I first started and even then, it was more peer-group pressure than actually enjoying it.

    As I said earlier in this thread, I have given up on two occasions, once for three years, the other for four.

    I am totally aware of how anti-social the habit is classed, as I am also aware of the health risks. This however, does not categorise me as not having a brain.

    If you are an ex-smoker, you can relate to the addiction, if you're not, you don't have the right to voice an opinion.

    You're more than welcome to say whether or not you like the smell because I agree, it is a disgusting smell, especially when it becomes stale. I used to smoke in the house and have noticed a significant change with regards to how fresh our house smells (that extinguishes the 'fact' that smokers cannot smell things).

    I think smoking is a dreadful habit, and it doesn't bother me saying that. It smells, the people who smoke, smell unpleasant (in the years I stopped, it turned my stomach to be next to someone who had just had one).

    The crux of the matter is, I enjoy it, it's a relief, it makes me feel good, just like people who enjoy a pint. Drinking isn't good for you unless it's in moderation and I smoke in moderation.

    One day, I intend to give up completely, as to whether the damage has been done remains to be seen.

    The one thing I do detest is when smokers are targeted for having no brains, due to the fact that they choose to, given the conclusive facts that the habit is bad for them.

    I make my own decisions in life, whether they be right or wrong, and I damned if people who don't know me from Adam come along and insult me for taking those decisions.
     
  4. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    While I have absolutely nothing against you personally Ian, I have to admit that every time I annoy a smoker it does give me a certain satisfaction given the number of times the habit has annoyed me over the years. This thread has given me more than the usual opportunity! :D
     
  5. ermintrude

    ermintrude Hinkypuff

    Mmm. When we did go to pubs with a smoking and a non-smoking area, funny how we ALWAYS had to go to the smoking area if one of us smoked. It was never that the smoker had to just give it a break and come to the non-smoking area with us.

    They always seemed to puff it right in your face across a 2 foot wide table too, instead of turn slightly away or anything. :(
     
  6. TheFatControlleR

    TheFatControlleR :Devil's Advocaat: Forum Admin

    Maybe we (the smokers) should blow some virtual smoke your way, at least then we could justify your annoyance with us here. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    Nah, this is my pay back time!!
     
  8. TheFatControlleR

    TheFatControlleR :Devil's Advocaat: Forum Admin

    One thing this thread has revealed is that it appears many non-smokers tend not to force their own will, or voice there opinion (in a face-to-face situation) but choose to go along with what the smokers in their lives want. :(
     
  9. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    Oh no fear of that with me, I was referring to all those times where I had no choice but to be subjected to the smoke of others. It may surprise you but I've never been backward in coming forwards when it comes to voicing my opion. I always accepted the smoke in pubs as an evil to accept for the other benefits of going out with mates but what I couldn't do with were those at the table who would light up while others were still eating. I can't think of an example where they didn't stub out straight away.
     
  10. TheFatControlleR

    TheFatControlleR :Devil's Advocaat: Forum Admin

    One should salute your devotion to your friends, over your own health. :rolleyes:
     
  11. bagpuss

    bagpuss Well-Known Member

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  12. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    Sod my friends, it was single females I was after!
     
  13. TheFatControlleR

    TheFatControlleR :Devil's Advocaat: Forum Admin

    Can't argue with that. :cool:

    As a long dead friend of mine used to say, 'A woman will drag you far further than dynamite will ever blow you'!


    <font color="cfcfcf">I always took the 'drag' as metaphorical, and the 'blow' as Freudian.
     
  14. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Indeed that's true, and this is an area that it's hard to debate without using emotive language and generalisations - I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I do think that many smokers need to understand that a lot of non-smokers consider that they have been subjected to a "tyranny of smoking" for many years; in my experience, many times the smokers have dictated the choice to what might be a silent and unwilling majority, and even when the considerate smokers (of which there are many) ask "is it alright if I smoke?", it's actually quite hard for many to say no without feelings of guilt - that's the main reason why I don't think allowing some establishments to allow smoking to continue would work, and also it's why some people have reacted with glee at the ban, to the extent of considering it a "payback time". Reading through this thread, it would appear that many smokers simply don't understand the distress and discomfort they've caused over the years, and would continue to cause without it - they put their own desire to smoke above the wishes of other people, maybe without even knowing. And perhaps in addition to compensation culture, that is what has led us where we are.
     
  15. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    It's just that sort of sensible talk which puts the end to longrunning threads such as this one. :mad:
     
  16. Clive

    Clive Well-Known Member

    "You're never alone with a Strand"

    One of the most remembered TV ads of all time, yet a disaster for sales.

    It's thought that the association of smoking with loneliness was the problem. And it's a strange thing that I believe that smokers do share some sort of bond, of comradeship, which has only been heightened by the anti smoking campaigns in recent years. Perhaps it's comforting to see that others are also fallible,.

    I do know that many ex smokers I have talked to still feel that bond, though they may hate the smoke, they do recognise the strange companionship thing as they don't forget how it felt to be a smoker. A recent TV ad recognises this "Lose the smoke, but don't lose the fire"
     
  17. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    "Lose the smoke, but don't lose the fire"

    ....aye cos you might find a nice lady that needs a light ;)
     
  18. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    Again I just can't resist - sorry.

    There's a lot of sense in the above. As an ex-smoker (pipe only, never ciggies, and gave up 5 years ago)I do have sympathy with smokers these days.

    It's for that reason I still don't understand the objections to certain (a limited number) establishments being licensed for the consumption of tobacco. In effect it's already in place because specialist tobacconists are exempt from the ban.

    Non-smokers should simply stay away from those few places - just as I stay away from places that I don't enjoy.

    I am not advocating unlimited smoking - far from it. I completely accept the health and social implications however we allow extreme sports etc. There has to be an element of choice in society.

    Finally I KNOW that this is raking over the coals, and I've read the thread, so I'd suggest that you don't reply.

    MickLL
     
  19. ian_g

    ian_g Well-Known Member

    And neither me you, a few cigarettes today have calmed me down for the time-being ;)
     
  20. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    Well you're a one of a select few there then!!
     

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