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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Clive, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. Clive

    Clive Well-Known Member

    I do hope the Government stop the sale of too cheap alcohol in supermarkets etc. Ex Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said on Sky News newspaper review last night that the Labour Government discussed it, but then dropped the idea.
  2. Malcolm_Stewart

    Malcolm_Stewart Well-Known Member

    I too heard her say that, and was surprised in that I thought the Labour Party got their funding from the Unions rather than from "Big Business". I wonder if they were afraid of a judicial review finding against their (I assume) sensible action?
  3. TH-Photos

    TH-Photos Well-Known Member

    Who will profit from the increased prices? Eg cheap bottle of scotch £7, 30 units per bottle, 30X40p=£12, who gets the extra £5, the manufacturer or Customs & Excise?
  4. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    The retailer.

    This is all part of the Government's policy of inflating Big Business profits. If they'd been serious about penalising alcohol consumption, duty would have gone up in the Budget.

    It's all ridiculous anyway ... £7 a bottle whisky is no use for anything except mouthwash anyway. If you really, really want to get drunk you can drink industrial alcohol which is over three times as strong and costs much less than £7 per gallon at the point of production.
  5. Footloose

    Footloose Well-Known Member

    The only problem with Industrial alcohol, is you wouldn't enjoy it for very long, but on the other hand, it would reduce the number of alcoholics! ... Maybe that's why in Russia, the illegal 'Lacing' of Vodka with stuff like this, isn't clamped down on as much as it could be?
  6. Clive

    Clive Well-Known Member

    I think both major political parties have been funded by the drinks industry in the past. Since 2004, Lord Sainsbury (Lab) has given £8.4 million to the Labour Party, and his family do own some supermarkets I believe. Even if there were no ulterior motives apart from believing in socialism it is possible for people to think there might be. On the other hand the Sainsbury Foundation does a lot of good things.
  7. Brian

    Brian Venerable Elder

    Just another tax on the least well off. About a £1 on a can of cider, zilch on a Magnum of Cristal.
  8. Clive

    Clive Well-Known Member

    Yes, it's strange that they upped the tax on fags, but not booze.
  9. BikerMike

    BikerMike Well-Known Member

    Not really, most of our MPs are boozers, not smokers. Says it all really, and explains some of the decisions they take. What a farce, we are governed by power-seeking drunks.

    Regards, Mike
  10. Mojo_66

    Mojo_66 Well-Known Member

    WHS. It's quite possible that now people who buy cheap alcohol will go without something else in order to buy it.
  11. miked

    miked Well-Known Member

    You are perfectly correct - I use it to rinse my mouth out thoroughly at least half-a-dozen times per day - it's marvellous for leaving the taste buds as numb as a dead squirrels nuts. Naturally I spit it out into a jug to which I later add a small bottle of dry ginger before sharing it with friends.
  12. MartyG

    MartyG Well-Known Member

  13. Roy5051

    Roy5051 Well-Known Member

    It is about time that Supermarkets were banned from selling alcohol products in their entirety. And selling alcohol at petrol stations beggars belief. A case in our local paper highlighted a young man buying a bottle of vodka at a local petrol station swigging it before he even got back to his car!

    If this government is serious about reducing alcohol comsumption, there are three immediate thiongs they can do-

    1: Repeal the last government's "open all hours" legislation

    2: Make alcohol only available at small off-licences, public houses and cafes/restaurants where it will be consumed with a meal.

    3: Make Alcohol advertising illegal, as they did with tobacco.

    But, as I believe, all any government does is pay lip-service to the alcohol problem, I do not expect anything to be done. It is a great pity that there is no pressure group with the voice and apparent power of ASH (Action of Smoking and Health) because it is well known that heavy consumption of alcohol is at least as dangerous to the user and costly to the NHS and heavy smoking.
  14. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    ... and "passive drinking" (being in the presence of the outrageously drunk) is a lot more unpleasant than being in the presence of an unreformed smoker.
  15. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Er, but they did up the tax on booze - 2% above the rate of inflation.
  16. rjbell

    rjbell Well-Known Member

    Seriously whats increasing prices going to do? Just like fags a fuel the government know they can keep pushing up taxes and we will keep buying. We're not going to consume any less, it's just going to cost as more.
  17. miked

    miked Well-Known Member

    In honesty there's nothing quite as dreadful as being in the company of a reformed smoker, drinker, drug addict, gambler, etc., etc.
  18. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I agree that garages selling alcohol should be a non-starter, particularly if it is in cans with pull-rings or bottles with screw tops.

    Completely agree

    I would agree if it weren't for the fact that there are no small off-licences, they have all closed due to being under cut by supermarkets!

    I agree

    As long as we allow professional politicians they will have two aims:

    1. To get as much revenue in as possible to pay off their supporters

    2. To get re-elected.

    Yes, I am ever so slightly cynical!!
  19. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    Unlike smoking a moderate intake of alcohol isn't damaging unless a person has underlying health problems (Liver disease being number one).

    For a decent bottled ale even 50p per unit is less than retail cost, eg Fullers 1845 at 6.3% would be about £1.58 compared to £2+ it actually costs, or a mediocre wine at £5.00 a bottle, is only equivilent to 50p per unit (Depending on strength).

    I don't see the problem, drink less, but better, always a good idea.
  20. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    I really don't think that smoking the occasional fag has much of a health impact either.

    The very real health issue with alcohol is not the damage drunks do to themselves, it's the damage they do to other people. Agreed this is an issue which involves only a small percentage of those who get drunk to the "impersonating a newt" level, let alone those who have an occasional drink in a social setting, but it doesn't take many to turn a town centre into an effective no go zone.

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