I should add that I e mailed Sebsandiego proof positive that the camera is a fake back in December 2007. This consisted of the pictures taken by the UK Contax expert showing the rear of the faked Kiev face plate etc. They clearly showed where "Kiev" had been rolled out and "Contax" engraved - slightly too right of centre than a real Contax in order to hide the residual Kiev impression. They also showed the Kiev style pressing around the film counter which differs from the Contax. In all, Sebsandiego was given incontrovertible proof that the camera was a worthless fake and still he has shamefully refused to give me my money back. What made this whole episode even worse thas that I bought the camera for my elderly father to replace his treasured mint condition 1937 Contax stolen in a burglary. Fortunately the fake was discovered before I gave it to him and further heartache was avoided.