Samsung GX-30

[john_g]

Elsewhere on the web I've read rumours about a Samsung GX-30, apparently due to be launched in June. What would you bet on: a K-7 clone or something different?

[spinno]

Elsewhere on the web I've read rumours about a Samsung GX-30, apparently due to be launched in June. What would you bet on: a K-7 clone or something different?

I'd say...snap...ish
Samsung would be better video I'd have thought unless it was part of the "shared technology"...but wait and see

[Monobod]

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame. The Samsung is unlikely to be, but.............

[Benchista]

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame.

Really? Pentax had made it absolutely crystal clear that it wouldn't be, I thought, and that it's not on the cards in the near future (and I suspect a fair bit longer than that).

The Samsung is unlikely to be, but.............

Wheread Samsung most definitely ARE interested in full frame - but my money would still be on a version of the K7 for now. Maybe next year...

[Wheelu]

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame.

I'd love to see a full frame Pentax but I wonder how many of their current lens line up are suitable for FF? Does it make any kind of commercial sense to bring out a body that would only be supported by heritage glass?

[Done_rundleCams]

Hi Nick,

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame.

Really? Pentax had made it absolutely crystal clear that it wouldn't be, I thought, and that it's not on the cards in the near future (and I suspect a fair bit longer than that).

And that is exactly what Nikon said approximately nine(9) months before announcing the D3




Jack

[Benchista]

Hi Nick,

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame.

Really? Pentax had made it absolutely crystal clear that it wouldn't be, I thought, and that it's not on the cards in the near future (and I suspect a fair bit longer than that).

And that is exactly what Nikon said approximately nine(9) months before announcing the D3




Jack

No, Jack, it's absolutely not. The language is very different, and those in the know were telling that Nikon were indeed working on FF - if you plough back through the posts on here, you'll find me pointing that out long before any announcement of the D3 (and Huw accusing me of spreading baseless rumours, from memory ). Nikon simply said they had no current plans to release such a camera, whereas Pentax have stated they're not working on one, and it doesn't form part of their strategy - which makes absolute sense, taking the 645D into account. The nuances of language are important in interpreting this sort of thing - like politicians, they're generally careful not to tell an outright lie, but use weasel words to make you think they've said something they haven't. There's nothing in anything Pentax have said that gives them room to come out with a FF DSLR in the next 2 or 3 years without admitting to a U-turn, IMHO - although equally, they've not ruled it out for ever. And admitting to a change of policy isn't exactly the end of the world, either! I think the K7 is a very interesting development, and I think several of the ideas in it will be mainstream in the next couple of years - if the camera can deliver on itspromise, I think Pentax will be pretty content.

[huwevans]

... you'll find me pointing that out long before any announcement of the D3 (and Huw accusing me of spreading baseless rumours, from memory ).

I vaguely remember that - but if it's the incident I'm thinking of, I asked for the source or base for what you were claiming, and you declined to provide it, merely asserting that it was 'reliable', or some such. And of course, people spreading rumours on forums usually do claim that their sources are reliable, even though almost all such rumour-spreding turns out ot be nothing more than that. In consequence, it was impossible to test or verify the claim in any way, and where I come from, we call that baseless.

[Actually, I don't remember whether I did say that, but really, there's no shortage of pillocks on web forums claiming all sorts of things for which they are adamant they have reliable sources, and which subsequently prove to be false. I just think that if they can't or won't give proper references, the forum would be better served if they kept their 'information' to themselves, and left the rumour-mongering to the DPR hordes. ]

[Benchista]

I don't disagree generally - just sometimes there is genuine info from a genuine source who has asked not to be named, and then there's little option but to come out with a device like that - to have not done so would've been to have left the field to those who were misinterpreting Nikon's official announcements.

[Monobod]

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame.

Really? Pentax had made it absolutely crystal clear that it wouldn't be, I thought, and that it's not on the cards in the near future (and I suspect a fair bit longer than that).

The Samsung is unlikely to be, but.............

Wheread Samsung most definitely ARE interested in full frame - but my money would still be on a version of the K7 for now. Maybe next year...

The fact that Pentax may have made it crystal clear did not filter down to everyone. I have not been of the opinion that there woud be a full frmae boby for some time. I know Samsung are working on one, but I am not sure it will be the 30D or whatever. So I do not think my comment was unfounded and I made no positive assertions. None of us really know what is coming until it arrives. That was the point.

[huwevans]

I've got that bit. But the fact is that there's no way for the reader to know which - indeed if any - of the many people claiming to have reliable sources do in fact have them, or whether they have been misled by some character claiming to know more than he really did, or even if the source had been misled by a marketing department trying to create a certain expectation (not necessarily the correct one) in the market before a genuine release of news, etc. Don't forget - we went to war in Iraq on the basis of 'reliable' sources!

In essence, until something is formally announced by the manufacturer, nothing that is said anonymously can really have any right to be considered any more reliable than anything else. There are just too many Walter Mittys out there.

I'm always a cynic when it comes to rumours on internet forums - as a 'reliable' source once told me, it's the safest thing to be!

[Benchista]

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame.

Really? Pentax had made it absolutely crystal clear that it wouldn't be, I thought, and that it's not on the cards in the near future (and I suspect a fair bit longer than that).

The Samsung is unlikely to be, but.............

Wheread Samsung most definitely ARE interested in full frame - but my money would still be on a version of the K7 for now. Maybe next year...

The fact that Pentax may have made it crystal clear did not filter down to everyone.

Well Chris has scrupulously published the comments on the news pages, so it's hardly difficult to find.

I have not been of the opinion that there woud be a full frmae boby for some time. I know Samsung are working on one, but I am not sure it will be the 30D or whatever. So I do not think my comment was unfounded and I made no positive assertions. None of us really know what is coming until it arrives. That was the point.

Indeed, as regards the GX-30; you could still be right. With the K7, it was always clear from Pentax's own words what it would not be, even if it wasn't clear what it would be, and the bloggers saying anything different don't exactly have a track record for accuracy.

[Benchista]

I don't disagree in general, again, but I do as you know take a particular interest in the way all this is done. There are some shockers out there, and one of the well-known Pentax bloggers is most definitely one of them. What I knew or didn't know is really only a side issue, though: my key point is that the official announcements from Nikon never ruled out the introduction of full frame or actually denied that they were working on it, merely that they weren't just about to launch one, and diverted everybody back to their existing cameras - there was clearly a great fear that sales would dry up temporarily if people thought that FF was imminent. It was a cleverly-worked strategy without a word of a lie or untruth, but certainly not telling the whole truth. What Pentax have done in interviews this year is to be a lot more definite than that on FF, and been insistent that 645D was their equivalent-only-better. Now that doesn't rule out the possibility of FF in the future, but I always think that with these statements, once you've read them very carefully and pondered the significance of each word, they tend to be true.

[huwevans]

Now that doesn't rule out the possibility of FF in the future, but I always think that with these statements, once you've read them very carefully and pondered the significance of each word, they tend to be true.

I completely agree - they generally choose their words very carefully, and with good reason. (Steven K. Lee being, possibly, the exception that proves the rule.)

I recall an issue of The Informer (I think) from a good four or five years ago in which a young photography journo by the name of Damien Demolder interviewed a top Nikon R&D bod, who said (paraphrasing here) that, whilst they had no immediate plans to release a full frame DSLR (the size of the lens mount being an issue), they were nevertheless continuing research in that direction. Events, I would say, have shown that to be, in fact, quite candid.

Still, this is all off the point - I know nothing at all about either Pentax or Samsung producing a 135 format DSLR, either now or in the future. And that's a completely reliable statement - you can quote me!

[Done_rundleCams]

Hi Nick,

It is anybody's guess really, some of us thought the K7 might be full frame.

Really? Pentax had made it absolutely crystal clear that it wouldn't be, I thought, and that it's not on the cards in the near future (and I suspect a fair bit longer than that).

And that is exactly what Nikon said approximately nine(9) months before announcing the D3




Jack

No, Jack, it's absolutely not. The language is very different, and those in the know were telling that Nikon were indeed working on FF - if you plough back through the posts on here, you'll find me pointing that out long before any announcement of the D3 (and Huw accusing me of spreading baseless rumours, from memory ). Nikon simply said they had no current plans to release such a camera, whereas Pentax have stated they're not working on one, and it doesn't form part of their strategy - which makes absolute sense, taking the 645D into account. The nuances of language are important in interpreting this sort of thing - like politicians, they're generally careful not to tell an outright lie, but use weasel words to make you think they've said something they haven't. There's nothing in anything Pentax have said that gives them room to come out with a FF DSLR in the next 2 or 3 years without admitting to a U-turn, IMHO - although equally, they've not ruled it out for ever. And admitting to a change of policy isn't exactly the end of the world, either! I think the K7 is a very interesting development, and I think several of the ideas in it will be mainstream in the next couple of years - if the camera can deliver on itspromise, I think Pentax will be pretty content.

Hi Nick,

I wish my boss kept old emails (from the PMA) from which I was basing my allegation upon ... but,
of course, he doesn't and at my (current) age .....who really knows ..... ...... ... and, as
long as BW wasn't the (usually) reliable source

Cheers,

Jack

[FujiSigmaNolta]

Well, I was one of those suspecting that it would be full frame,but frankly speaking I am not the most up to date person in what concerns things to that level. Anyway, what I said was that if it was going to be anything higher than 15MP they would have had to go full frame, I think there's only so much you can stretch an APS-C sensor but I was proven wrong, as it seems that Sony's A500 is going to be APS-C and 17.2MP apparently...the only smoothies I like come from a blender, to put it in other words without making any statements.

[Done_rundleCams]

Hi Luis,

And, remember, Pentax's first DSLR was going to be Full-Frame ....... way back in 2001




Jack

[FujiSigmaNolta]

Hi Jack,

I absolutely love that body, I mean the MZ-S. It was another of my eBay hunts, but it is still so expensive. I think it's still a good concept for a digital full frame body, if they ever decide to do one.

[Done_rundleCams]

Hi Jack,

I absolutely love that body, I mean the MZ-S. It was another of my eBay hunts, but it is still so expensive. I think it's still a good concept for a digital full frame body, if they ever decide to do one.

Hi Luis,

Whilst I quite liked the feel of the MZ-S, I never did quite cotton to the menu layout (on the
film body)

As for a (Pentax) full-frame digital, I am completely ambivalent towards purchasing one but, regarding the flogging of such a beast, I'll give it my best shot

Cheers,

Jack