They'd sell well alongside these:Maybe the answer when out shooting in public places is to wear a sweatshirt that says "F*** off - I'm a tourist!"Maybe it's because the cameraman didn't stop hime to ask the way to lye-sester square?
They'd sell well alongside these:Maybe the answer when out shooting in public places is to wear a sweatshirt that says "F*** off - I'm a tourist!"Maybe it's because the cameraman didn't stop hime to ask the way to lye-sester square?
Just watched it. Very interesting. You lot do know you can all email this to Gordon Brown, if we all email the link and some of our past experiences it might do some good (albeit very small I'd reckon)...... linky thing.
Right emailed the PM:
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page2.asp
I presume this forum has coppers and hobby bobbies as members?
Why are they not vocal in defending their colleagues?
My guess is their knowledge of the law (or lack of it), which doesn't seem to be a pre-requisite for the job these days
Dave
It does.I presume this forum has coppers and hobby bobbies as members?
Some colleges haWhy are they not vocal in defending their colleagues?
Your guess would be wrong then - the coppers on here know the real score and are probably just as fed up as we areMy guess is their knowledge of the law (or lack of it), which doesn't seem to be a pre-requisite for the job these days
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Funny, I spend half my time when I'm out and about telling the catch-penny merchants I'm not a feckin' tourist!!Maybe the answer when out shooting in public places is to wear a sweatshirt that says "F*** off - I'm a tourist!"Maybe it's because the cameraman didn't stop hime to ask the way to lye-sester square?
Decisions, decisions.
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Or a T-Shirt with words to similar effect...Maybe the answer when out shooting in public places is to wear a sweatshirt that says "F*** off - I'm a tourist!"
It's that "Kiss me quick" hat of yours that misleads them ...
Funny, I spend half my time when I'm out and about telling the catch-penny merchants I'm not a feckin' tourist!!
Decisions, decisions.
More likely to scare people off, at least in the short term
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You master of subtlety and understatement, you!
More likely to scare people off, at least in the short term
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Maybe it's because the cameraman didn't stop hime to ask the way to lye-sester square?Loud shirt? can of lager in hand? Bucket and spade, maybe? I just don't know ...Also interesting is that he said "You are not a tourist!" How does he define a tourist?It must have come as quite a shock to them when their uniforms failed to intimidate the cameraman.
It is quite funny that when challenged with the truth of the matter he quickly reaches the boundary of his knowledge and authority and all he can come out with is 'shut up'. Really scary.
I thought it was Lee-Kester Square
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I was a fully trained police officer for 20 plus years and retired a while before the fiasco of PCSO's was born (probably out of boredom by the then Home Secretary with nothing else worthwhile to do).I presume this forum has coppers and hobby bobbies as members?
Why are they not vocal in defending their colleagues?
My guess is their knowledge of the law (or lack of it), which doesn't seem to be a pre-requisite for the job these days
Dave
I belong to a police forum website and all can contribute from the likes of me, to serving officers, and civilian support staff. Of the serving officer category I think you would be hard pushed to find ANYONE who actually supports the deployment of PCSO's on the streets.
There are claims about which I cannot give judgement, (but have my own feelings) concerning the training of PCSO's, their effectiveness, and that it is policing on the cheap.
I think most operational police officers will agree that the ammount of duplicated paperwork is bogging down the system and preventing fully trained officers from doing the job they are employed to do.
Believe me the paperwork is very very real and the sheer volume was not the case before the inception of the Crown Prosecution Service. When I left over 7 years ago, a simple offence of say Threatening Behaviour (S4 Public Order Act) could in addition to the very important written statements of evidence, generate up to 17 individual forms, many of which were not required but had to be included in the file and marked 'not applicable.'
PCSO's, would, many claim be better employed doing the endless form filling so to release those capable of doing the job, to get out there and do it.
The moral of the story is if you pay people who are fully trained, £XXX per year to do a job it gets done properly, but if you pay partially trained people £x per year you get what ammounts to a waste of money and bad publicity.
Is there any mention on there of targeting the camera-carrying public?
I belong to a police forum website and all can contribute from the likes of me, to serving officers, and civilian support staff
In short, NO!.Is there any mention on there of targeting the camera-carrying public?
I belong to a police forum website and all can contribute from the likes of me, to serving officers, and civilian support staff
I can only think that there have been general guide lines given out and these are interpreted on a different level by individuals. Not a good idea methinks. Also lack of understanding of the capabilities of various types of photo gear from mobile phones up to normal film cameras of whatever size. And in any case enough information for an attack would be in the public domain anyway. A bit like being stopped by staff from the national trust because I may be looking for items to steal. All I would have to do is buy their postcards and I have the information!
A lot of it is down to 'targets' imposed by this government. It is about time to realise that emergency services cannot be controlled by 'targets' handed down to Chief Constables and thence to his subordinates to carry out. Please don't shoot the messenger, go for the the controller at the very top.
On the otherhand I for one would not be put off carrying a camera in public and often do. If I were stopped (Not been yet) I would have no problem but there would have to be a justifiable reason for doing so or a complaint would follow.
Some forces including the one I was with now refer to PCSO's as simply CSO's, presumably to get the differential re-established. It should be noted that the Union to which CSO's belong is the same one that all other support staff and they are pushing for CSO's to have the same uniform as FULLY TRAINED constables which there obviously not.
What would you advise a photographer should say to a police officer in order to send him on his way with the minimum of fuss?
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Get on the high ground, be polite and explain what you are doing. Thats all that can be suggested as each case has to be decided on it's merit at the time.
Excellant advice!Get on the high ground, be polite and explain what you are doing. Thats all that can be suggested as each case has to be decided on it's merit at the time.
Just been given this link on youtube of a similar film, lol!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQrDK9YHas
Its funny in quite a sad, sad way.
Interrestinggg!
You would think that any sort of policeman would know the law of assault, which I assume grabbing/shoving at your camera would constitute.
I imagine if a policeman ever objects to me photographing him, I'll say "Why - you're not doing anything illegal, are you?"
No, that entirely misses the point. The NT aren't interested in people photographing what can be nicked, but how it can be nicked - the security precautions. And they're not in the cards. And guess what - that's the heart of the concerns these over-zealous PCSOs have now. Nothing whatsoever to do with targets, just misguided enthusiasm and insufficient training. And it's of course nonsense to blame all of that on the government- that's the usual, er, cop-out. The whole issue, as almost always, is one of cockup, not conspiracy, as I think the PCSOs in the video make pretty clear. Going for "the very top" is utterly misguided, because that's not at all where this is coming from, and it's impossible to see what on earth the government could do on this issue - it's entirely a local issue of training and education of PCSOs.And in any case enough information for an attack would be in the public domain anyway. A bit like being stopped by staff from the national trust because I may be looking for items to steal. All I would have to do is buy their postcards and I have the information!
What a pra**! Who the hell does he think he is? Grabbing hold of the camera, asking him for ID, telling him to shut up! If that was me I would have struggled not to smack the ar**hole in the mouth!... linky thing.
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How apt this pic of yours is!What a pra**! Who the hell does he think he is? Grabbing hold of the camera, asking him for ID, telling him to shut up! If that was me I would have struggled not to smack the ar**hole in the mouth!... linky thing.
http://www.pbase.com/exposethelight/image/86449661
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