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attack_donut
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A (probably dumb) question on lenses
      #868038 - 08/02/2010 14:16

Is the view from a 50mm prime the same as 50mm view from an 18-55mm?

I ask because I am always amazed at the sheer number and variety of lens configurations and wondered if there was some advantage to buying a (say) 35-70 to a 18-70 if shooting at the same focal length.

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: attack_donut]
      #868048 - 08/02/2010 14:48

It should be the same view yes - however as I understand it there is often a little play in the manufacture of zoom lenses so 50mm as marked on the barrel is a general guide only.
I would say that this is really only a problem if you are dead set on shooting at 50mm only - and at that point a prime would be the better option. If you are using a zoom there is no reason not to zoom back and forth as needed between shoots and let the focal length be what it will (within reason since there is a noticable difference between 18mm and 55mm of course)

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: attack_donut]
      #868059 - 08/02/2010 15:27

Nominally yes but I suspect in reality probably not exactly. Aside from the fact that marked scales on the zoom barrel are for guidance only the lenses do have a different optical configuration - which probably means that at any given focus the absolute field of view is not quite identical. Mind you the difference is probably so marginal that only a measurebator would notice...

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: El Sid]
      #868151 - 08/02/2010 20:39

The main differences between a 50mm prime lens and a zoom at 50mm will be the wider maximum aperture for low light shooting, better sharpness and lower distortion. These differences can also be seen between a zoom lens with a small ratio, say 35mm to 70mm and a super zooms of say 18mm to 200mm.

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: attack_donut]
      #868230 - 09/02/2010 08:36

Like the others have said. However, just to throw an extra dimension in, not all 50mm are the exact marked focal length either!

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: TimF]
      #868246 - 09/02/2010 09:22

I compared the 50mm mark on a zoom with my 50mm once. It was miles out.

Even if they were the same focal length at infinity they could be pretty far apart by the time you get to minimum focus. There's often exposure differences between infinity focus and minimum too - macro lenses usually come with a table to show you how much to compensate for at various magnifications when using an external meter.

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: daft_biker]
      #868273 - 09/02/2010 11:15

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There's often exposure differences between infinity focus and minimum too - macro lenses usually come with a table to show you how much to compensate for at various magnifications when using an external meter.





That's because, as you focus closer, you are effectively adding extension. A bit like adding continuously variable extension tubes. Therefore, as with tubes, you lose light and more exposure is required.

MickLL

PS (Edit) Of course with modern auto-exposure you don't have to worry about it. The camera does all the hard work for you and as a close-up/macro nerd I am very glad that it does. If it didn't I may well have stayed away from the macro genre.

Edited by MickLL (09/02/2010 11:18)


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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: MickLL]
      #868291 - 09/02/2010 12:10

A lot of macro lenses are actually a shorter focal length at close range than their stated value.

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: MickLL]
      #868294 - 09/02/2010 12:37

Quote:

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PS (Edit) Of course with modern auto-exposure you don't have to worry about it. The camera does all the hard work for you and as a close-up/macro nerd I am very glad that it does. If it didn't I may well have stayed away from the macro genre.




Add in tilt/shift movements that AE doesn't work with and things get even more interesting! I use the trial and error approach of tweaking the shutter speed until the histogram looks right. (wonder if I can get a live histogram to set the exposure with in liveview? wonder if it's any quicker!)

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Re: A (probably dumb) question on lenses [Re: TimF]
      #868296 - 09/02/2010 12:39

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A lot of macro lenses are actually a shorter focal length at close range than their stated value.




The internal focus ones?

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