Isley
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Reged: 26/09/2008
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Hi, I'm a first time poster to this forum and would like to ask for some advice / opinions.
Me: I have had a passing interest in photography (ie, always been interested but never truly made the jump). So I've never actually purchased a 'good' camera (I've borrowed a few in the past though) I work in the print industry so have some 'image' knowledge so to speak. I also worked on the Kodak account and have previously visited Photokina in a work capacity (we supplied marketing material for certain stands)
Following a previous compact camera dieing (Canon lens error) I decided that it was time to maybe follow my interests. I was looking for a camera that wasn't too complex or too big and can be easily used by other members of the family. ie a decent compact. A relation of mine has a G7 and I had the use of it for a weekend. I liked the results (all shot on auto) and the general feel of the camera.
Following this (and a visit to Jessops) I decided to purchase a G9 only to find out that they were being replaced by the G10. So I waited.......
I've read all I can on the G10 and to many it seems a bit of a disappointing upgrade.
My question at this moment would you purchase either :
G9: I can pick this up now for approx £280.00 (although for how long I don't know)
G10: available in about a month for probably £400 +
My photography is pretty basic (kids, holiday, days out etc)but I'd like to learn more and keep my options open.
A DSLR isn't being considered as it would be just too big to carry around, and possibly too complex for other family users.
Would I be better off saving cash and going for the G9 or are the upgrades of the G10 really worth the extra?
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Ian
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Bettina
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The G9 is a cracking camera and I wouldn't change it/upgrade it to the G10.
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Benchista
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Personally, nothing on Earth would make me buy a G9. The G10 is hugely more interesting - simply because it has a much more sensible lens range for me. As for the rest, well I think we'll have to wait and see how it actually performs - at the moment, nobody is in a position to answer your question.
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Bettina
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Sensible probably only if you're into wide angles. I prefer to have a 200mm zoom.
Islay might pick up a bargain now. It's only GBP 262.25 on Amazon.co.uk right now with free delivery.
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Bettina
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Benchista
Wich Tyler
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You're quite right, and that's why I made a point of saying "for me", to provoke Ian into working out what suits him best rather than just relying on the "I've got one and it's great" type of response that we generally discourage on here - I've no doubt that it suits many people perfectly, but each individual has to make up their own mind as to exactly what they want from any camera. If he's no need for a wideangle, then the G9 at a bargain price makes an awful lot of sense; if he does need a wideangle, then the G9 doesn't make sense at any price, and that's not a question you or I can answer. 
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Light and Shade II - the new blog
Edited by Benchista (26/09/2008 16:50)
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Bawbee
Out on a whim
Reged: 06/05/2000
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Loc: Dundee, Scotland, UK
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Hi Ian,
Welcome to the AP Forums.
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My photography is pretty basic (kids, holiday, days out etc)but I'd like to learn more and keep my options open.
I think you've answered you own question - the G9 for you.
If you can, wait until the G10 is released as the price of the G9 will drop as they try to clear stocks.
Bob
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Bawbee BSRIPN
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap but by the seeds that you plant."
Bawbee Louis Stevenson 1850-1894
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Phil_bar
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Reged: 24/10/2007
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Loc: West Sussex
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I was in very much the same position as you this time last year, deliberating over the G9 or the G7. It was a close call but I went for the G9 knowing that digital cameras are rapidly superseded. The clincher was that the G9 provided the ability for raw format which is something that I wanted to try, whereas the G7 didn't. I don't know whether there are any specific features that the G10 has over the G9, but I suspect if I were to make my decision today I would go for the G10.
However I have no intentions of upgrading from the G9, for the foreseeable future, there are probably enough features to keep me happy for a lifetime.
So up to you, at least you've narrowed your choice down which makes it easier.
Phil
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Bokkie
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Reged: 04/04/2008
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I'm sort of interested in the G10 but I'm not convinced I'll be an early adopter as my G9 serves my needs, leastways as far I'm prepared to make use of advanced features. The G9 has two rotaries, left side has the ISO dial, right side program mode selections. The G10 has the ISO dial and program mode on the right and what I think is the exposure compensation/adjustment on the left. Sorry if I got that last part wrong. From what I read, the G10 is an incremental upgrade from the G9 and there's been some drum-thumping in protest about who would want 14+ million pixels. Then again, if we consider how cheap disk drives have become the likely increase in RAW file size means that space is likely to affect what you can store on the camera card and 8GB cards are to cards what a few years ago was the case with 256MB cards. Canon also seem to be broadcasting a new digital processor. I'm not sure if I need all the features but as I find myself using my G9 more often I'm sort of beyond the point-and-click user level I was at about six months ago when I got my G9. In that case, the G10 might be worthwhile. I'll wait until some well informed reviews appear as I believe it's only slated for UK release in a week or two.
So, if you want an excellent camera the G9 is better for your needs as it does a lot and does it very well as many users in this forum will attest. I'm sure the prices will come down once the G10 becomes mainstream. Whether the price difference now between the G9 and G10 compensates for the new features is something I'm not convinced about. Early adopters will pay the price but soone than later Canon will have to peg it in line with their nearest competitors although I don't which make who or which cameras are on the starting line with it.
The G9 is very good and at those prices it's excellent value for money.
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AGW
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I know the old bridge cameras get a bit of a battering....but I just got an e-mail from Warehouse ex inviting pre-orders for the SX1is and the SX10is. I have not heard much chat about these new 10mp cameras but perhaps worth a thought?
Graeme
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Siuya
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Original - Large Image
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Chris
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zx9
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Reged: 22/06/2007
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Loc: London
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That's very good in the correctly exposed foreground, though the grain shows quite a lot in underexposed background (as you would expect), and the JPG compression has had trouble with the detail of the t-shirt.
Much better than my G9 but not so good as to get me rushing out with my credit card.
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Isley
newbie
Reged: 26/09/2008
Posts: 4
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Hi Guys,
Many thanks for all the responses.
The more I look at it the more I'm leaning to the G9. I think it would meet all my present requirements and the cost is really swaying it at the moment. It would leave some case to get a decent sized card.
I don't think the price will fall past £240.00 though.
I think I read somewhere that the G9 Raw is not compatable with photoshop - is this true and something to be wary of ?
Many tnanks,
Ian
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zx9
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Reged: 22/06/2007
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The Adobe G9 raw conversion needs CS3 to run ACR 4.X and is not compatible with CS2 and previous versions, sorry but I don't know which version of elements is required.
The G9 will come with 'Canon camera window' and 'Zoom Browser' which has / includes a Raw converter.
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Edited by zx9 (29/09/2008 15:24)
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Benchista
Wich Tyler
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The Adobe G9 raw conversion needs CS3 to run ACR 4.X and is not compatible with CS2 and previous versions, sorry but I don't know which version of elements is required.
The G9 will come with 'Canon camera window' and 'Zoom Browser' which has includes a Raw converter.
I think one of the other advantages of the G10 is that it comes with DPP (which can read its RAW files, but not those of the G9). Not worth the difference in cost in itself, plainly.
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Nick
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Norman
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The Adobe G9 raw conversion needs CS3 to run ACR 4.X and is not compatible with CS2 and previous versions, sorry but I don't know which version of elements is required.
I have put together a web page that lists what ACR / PS / PSE versions are required for what cameras. See here.
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Norman
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Paul_R
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Hi Guys,
Many thanks for all the responses.
The more I look at it the more I'm leaning to the G9. I think it would meet all my present requirements and the cost is really swaying it at the moment. It would leave some case to get a decent sized card.
I don't think the price will fall past £240.00 though.
I think I read somewhere that the G9 Raw is not compatable with photoshop - is this true and something to be wary of ?
Many tnanks,
Ian
Not sure if the video function of bothe cameras is something you will be using but I believe (I need to check this out myself) the video on the G10 isn't as good as the G9, possibly lower resolution? As I say, this will need checking but may be worht looking into if this feature is important to you.
P.S. if you find out before me please let me know
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Bawbee
Out on a whim
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Loc: Dundee, Scotland, UK
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Not sure if the video function of bothe cameras is something you will be using but I believe (I need to check this out myself) the video on the G10 isn't as good as the G9, possibly lower resolution? As I say, this will need checking but may be worht looking into if this feature is important to you.
P.S. if you find out before me please let me know
In the recent Poll on video in a still-frame camera, I voted NO. But, since seeing the results from the 5D II, I have now altered my opinion. It could be useful, in certain situations/circumstances, to have a quality video option.
Did you ever go for the G9 Paul?
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Bawbee BSRIPN
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap but by the seeds that you plant."
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Paul_R
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Quote:
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Not sure if the video function of bothe cameras is something you will be using but I believe (I need to check this out myself) the video on the G10 isn't as good as the G9, possibly lower resolution? As I say, this will need checking but may be worht looking into if this feature is important to you.
P.S. if you find out before me please let me know
In the recent Poll on video in a still-frame camera, I voted NO. But, since seeing the results from the 5D II, I have now altered my opinion. It could be useful, in certain situations/circumstances, to have a quality video option.
Did you ever go for the G9 Paul?
The videos from the 5D II do look impressive don't they? The video function in a compact is useful to me as I use it to video the grand kids etc. The video from the G9 also looks quite decent.
I haven't gone for the G9 as I was holding off to see what the G10 brought. I was hoping for a wide angle, which it has, but I'm sure the video function isn't as good as the G9. As I say, I need to confirm this one way or the other. Also, the price of the G10 is quite a bit more than I wanted to pay so I'm looking at the option of going for the G9 unless the price of the G10 comes down over the next few weeks.
It looks like it may be an expensive few weeks as I'm also looking to purchase a mini laptop (Asus 1000H) 
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Done&rundleCams
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Reged: 20/12/2001
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Loc: Vancouver, BC
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Hi Ian,
Another welcome to the AP Forums, albeit from across the pond (and a continent) from a(nother)very rainy land  and I agree with Bettina that I would rather have the "longer zoom" of the G9 (along with a lower cost) rather than the "slightly" wider angle of the G10 (along with a higher cost). I read someone mentioning the 'video capability' of the G9 and G10 and, FWIW, here is a Video shot partially -- the shots on the rollercoaster -- with a Canon G9 by a friend of mine.
Cheers,
Jack
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Isley
newbie
Reged: 26/09/2008
Posts: 4
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Hi All,
Many thanks for all the very useful replies. I think that I'm almost settled on the G9. I think I'll use the zoom more than the wider angle. As some indicated the cost is falling and is now sub £250 so this is a big factor.
I have another question for G9 users, If I add a larger card (say 4Gig) what speed card should I go for (does it make a difference with this type of compact)
Regards,
Ian
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