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lee74
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are they bad photos?
      #711150 - 26/09/2008 08:38

Have been reading various articles about which setting to use on the camera, and most of them state either aperture or shutter priority.
I sometimes use these but I also use P(program) or occasionally Auto.
Does this mean that the photos taken with these modes P or Auto, are 'bad' just because I am letting the camera do the work for me?, because looking at them they seem ok by my standards.


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Intermanaut
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Re: are they bad photos? [Re: lee74]
      #711155 - 26/09/2008 08:54

No.

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Malcolm_Stewart
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Re: are they bad photos? [Re: lee74]
      #711159 - 26/09/2008 09:08

I think it depends on how the camera decides on which pair of settings (for aperture and shutter) it chooses when you're using P mode. Over the many years this has been available, as the light levels have varied some cameras have simply changed both values a step at a time. Others have taken lens focal length into account, and others frequently allow the offered settings to be adjusted whilst holding the exposure constant. I found the P mode on my Minolta X700 quite exasperating due to limitations at the time of what it displayed in the viewfinder, and instead I normally relied on Aperture priority mode.

Nowadays with my Canon 5D and other EOS bodies, I'm fairly happy to stay in P mode much of the time, selecting Av, Tv or M mode as required by what I'm shooting. P mode seems sensitive to the focal length of the lens in use, so camera/lens shake isn't much of a problem. However, shooting birds, I do adjust the exposure compensation quite a bit so as to keep detail in the white feathers of swans or little egrets. It's amazing just how much compensation is necessary to stop them burning out. (Like minus 1-2 stops, and I do check with Spot metering sometimes but that then needs compensation of +1 stop or more... Thank goodness for digital and I can learn on the job!)

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Re: are they bad photos? [Re: Malcolm_Stewart]
      #711166 - 26/09/2008 09:21

Indeed. The choice of a combination of aperture and shutter speed is critical to ensure that the subject has sufficient depth of field and degree of (or absence of) motion blur. In aperture or shutter priority the photographer has direct control over this, but in reality in program the photographer generally has a similar level of control with (D)SLRs these days; the camera's chosen settings are displayed in the viewfinder, and can generally be modified by the photographer with a twirl of the input wheel if they're not optimal.

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Roger_Provins
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Re: are they bad photos? [Re: lee74]
      #711170 - 26/09/2008 09:28

Quote:

..... Does this mean that the photos taken with these modes P or Auto, are 'bad' just because I am letting the camera do the work for me?




No, not at all. Anyway, the camera's metering and computer are "doing the work for you" when you use any other mode except M ... if you either use a separate light meter or guess the exposure

Use A mode to get the DoF you want and the camera chooses the shutter speed ... still the camera isn't it?

Use S mode to get the amount of movement you want and the camera chooses the aperture ... still the camera isn't it?

Use P mode and the camera chooses both shutter and aperture but the dial will change the combination as you prefer.

My camera also takes into account the lens type in use, macro, tele, wide etc. and chooses the most suitable range .. maximises DoF on macro and wide and shutter speed with tele ... we pay for all the computing power and facilties of modern cameras ... may as well use them

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ermintrude
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Re: are they bad photos? [Re: lee74]
      #711212 - 26/09/2008 12:06

Quote:

Have been reading various articles about which setting to use on the camera, and most of them state either aperture or shutter priority.
I sometimes use these but I also use P(program) or occasionally Auto.
Does this mean that the photos taken with these modes P or Auto, are 'bad' just because I am letting the camera do the work for me?, because looking at them they seem ok by my standards.




Give us some examples and we can see !

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Re: are they bad photos? [Re: ermintrude]
      #711761 - 28/09/2008 15:11

I take plenty of "bad" photos; I like them and that's what matters to me. Refuse to believe that photos are "good" or "excellent" only if "experts" say so

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lee74
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Re: are they bad photos? [Re: IvorETower]
      #711921 - 29/09/2008 08:34

Thanks for the answers guys, was having a bit of a lack of confidence experience, after reading different opinions on the matter.

Will try and find the articles in question and post it on here.


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