Damien Demolder
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Samsung reveals new interchangeable lens system
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Photocracy
The Great Pretender
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Looks as though manufacturers are sizing up for a fight over this sector of the market. I wonder where this rush for small will leave full-sized DSLRs in ten years. At least it won't be a one horse race now and that has to be good for prices.
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RogerMac
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The most interesting bit was this
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Although many details are still to be decided on Lee predicts that the new system will be ready for sale in the spring of 2010.
So don't hold your breath!
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Iloca
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Loc: Northern Ireland
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Looks as though manufacturers are sizing up for a fight over this sector of the market. I wonder where this rush for small will leave full-sized DSLRs in ten years. At least it won't be a one horse race now and that has to be good for prices.
Ok Wild Speculation 
Compact I/Lens cameras will take up the position currently held by consumer/mid range DSLR's, above that DSLR's as we know them will become fully featured Multi-Media cameras eating into the market currently held by the larger Pro DV cameras.
Feature set is the thing, Nikon have DV in the D90 and it can only continue to evolve.
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beejaybee
Marvin
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Compact I/Lens cameras will take up the position currently held by consumer/mid range DSLR's, above that DSLR's as we know them will become fully featured Multi-Media cameras eating into the market currently held by the larger Pro DV cameras.
If so I'll be back to 100% film.
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beejaybee
Marvin
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Feature set is the thing, Nikon have DV in the D90 and it can only continue to evolve.
Pah. A tool should do one job and one job only. And do it well.
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Roger_Provins
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The most interesting bit was this
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Although many details are still to be decided on Lee predicts that the new system will be ready for sale in the spring of 2010.
So don't hold your breath!
... I wonder why they have given so much notice?
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Iloca
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Feature set is the thing, Nikon have DV in the D90 and it can only continue to evolve.
Pah. A tool should do one job and one job only. And do it well.
For you and me and a good few on AP forums yes, but the next generation? they're more computer/media savvy than I'll ever be, BeBo/Facebook/Youtube/Blogging etc, etc, etc. DV is becoming increasingly popular.
I was happy when my 1st mobile phone could make and recieve calls but it's wouldn't cut it now with the consumers who have the most disposable income
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huwevans
The 'Not Really Here' Dude
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Feature set is the thing, Nikon have DV in the D90 and it can only continue to evolve.
Pah. A tool should do one job and one job only. And do it well.
I completely agree - but the sad reality is, I think, that photographic technology has for years been driven more by fashion and fancy than by real photographic need. The masses - rather than the actual core of professionals and enthusiasts, whose concern is the photography itself rather than ever more, and more flashy, electronic trinkets - are where all the development money is recouped and the profits are made. And that has never been more true than it is now in the digital era. :-(
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PaulatUKcamera
Drake-o Malfoy
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photographic technology has for years been driven more by fashion and fancy than by real photographic need
I will agree with that in principle, Huw, but make one addition - the rise and rise of the programmable microchip.
Essentially if it can be programmed in, it costs next to nothing so an additional "feature" is added in whether we need it or not!
I just look at the programmable options I have with the D300 and wonder if I really need even 10% of them.
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beejaybee
Marvin
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Essentially if it can be programmed in, it costs next to nothing so an additional "feature" is added in whether we need it or not!
Even if the required controls make the device less usable, or more awkward to use, for its original purpose  
Then the original purpose gets compromised to make the new facility work a bit better.
Function creep causes bloat, too. Which in turn boosts power draw. How many people have found their phone/cam/MP3 player has a flat battery when hey need to make an urgent/emergency phone call because the subsidiary functions have used the available power?
One tool, one job. Properly. No compromises.
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huwevans
The 'Not Really Here' Dude
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photographic technology has for years been driven more by fashion and fancy than by real photographic need
I will agree with that in principle, Huw, but make one addition - the rise and rise of the programmable microchip.
Well, fundamentally that's what has enabled it - the cramming of more and more electrickery into cameras began basically in the 80s, but in those days it was still just producing features that were genuinely useful for photographic purposes, at least for some.
But digital photography wouldn't exist at all without complex electronics and processing power - it's fundamentally about electronics, whereas previously photography was all about optics and photo-chemistry. While those days lasted photographic development was still being driven with photography in mind. Once it became electronic it entered the world of modern gadget-freakery - a world of iPods and Bluetooth, telephones that take pictures, and all the rest of it. That, I'm afraid brought a whole new group of consumers into play - a group that had little real interest in photography itself, but was pretty much obsessed with the gadgetry side of it. And they were so numerous that their requirements were the ones the manufacturers inevitably strove to meet.
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beejaybee
Marvin
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Well, fundamentally that's what has enabled it
Not really, the astronomers were using CCD chips to image stars in the days when microprocessors didn't exist, a PDP-11 was a large cabinet stuffed with TTL chips which contained a couple of dozen transistors each. Ran at a few score kilohertz and had 64KB memory if you were lucky.
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Ian_A
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Feature set is the thing, Nikon have DV in the D90 and it can only continue to evolve.
Pah. A tool should do one job and one job only. And do it well.
Yeh - all you with Leathermans and Swiss army penknives - bin 'em now! 
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huwevans
The 'Not Really Here' Dude
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Well, fundamentally that's what has enabled it
Not really, the astronomers were using CCD chips to image stars in the days when microprocessors didn't exist, a PDP-11 was a large cabinet stuffed with TTL chips which contained a couple of dozen transistors each. Ran at a few score kilohertz and had 64KB memory if you were lucky.
So - nothing whatsoever with we're talking about then? What I said was correct.
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Mark101
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Reged: 15/03/2007
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Loc: Lincolnshire
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yawn - next subject 
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FujiSigmaNolta
I can pan!
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AAAAAaaaaargh! I can't take it anymore!!! All this Photokina stuff and competition is all too eeeeeevilll!! All these choices!!! AAaaaaaargh!
(jumps out throught the glass window with arms and legs flailing)
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Luis
My Flickr mess
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Iloca
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Hey Luis,
Here's one for you
RED
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FujiSigmaNolta
I can pan!
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AAaaaaaaAAAAaaaaAAAArgh! (jumps out of hospital 3rd floor window in full body cast plaster trying to flail arms and with drip)
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Luis
My Flickr mess
There are no duff cameras only duff photographers
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Iloca
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AAaaaaaaAAAAaaaaAAAArgh! (jumps out of hospital 3rd floor window in full body cast plaster trying to flail arms and with drip)
Oh dear, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it  
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