MarcusY
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Reged: 05/07/2008
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Hi again,
It says in the module book in the section "Special notes on the submission of digital images" that "images submitted should be of a minimum size of 5x7 and maximum size of A4". I'm not sure what this means in the context of a digital image.
Thanks
Marcus
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Garry McNamara
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Reged: 16/08/2006
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That means between 5"x7" and A4 at 300ppi - you can check that by going to Image>Image Size and adjusting the figures accordingly.
The smaller of those two extremes should look something like this.
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MarcusY
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Reged: 05/07/2008
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Thanks. I'm using Lightroom which does things a bit differently, so am not sure there is quite the same option. But I'll investigate.
Marcus
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GeekGirl
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Reged: 21/08/2008
Posts: 27
Loc: Edinburgh, UK
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I'm a bit bamboozled by the submission requirements and I came across this post. Apologies for asking a daft question....
I currently only have access to Picassa 2 and Microsoft Picture Editor for editing my photos. I'm working on my submission for Module 1.
In image properties I can see that the resolution is 300dpi, and it tells me the overall dimensions of the picture in pixels. How can I use this information to work out the physical size of the picture? Presumably I could print it onto any paper size I like it's just that it would look grainier the larger I made it....
Since Module 1 is about submitting pictures with different aspect ratios would it be correct to work this out simply in terms of pixel dimensions (for example, have panoramic shots that have 3 times as many pixels in one dimension as the other).
Or, should I import the photos into something like Microsoft Word/Powerpoint where I can define the page size, and work out the aspect ratio's in terms of A4 paper size (for example A4 is 210x297mm so I would make the panoramic submission 297x99mm....)
I'd appreciate any advice you (or anyone else reading this!) could give me  This is my first submission so I want to make sure I meet all the requirements.
Many thanks
Heather
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Garry McNamara
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Hi Geekgirl, I have all the mathematical talents of Bart Simpson so all I can say is if there are 300 pixels per inch and you you have say 3000 by 2000 that must be 10 inches by - whatever (too early in the morning!)
And if that is too much remember the advice in the course handbook - some prints made at a lab and a pair of scissors are a perfectly acceptable option so why sweat it?
Garry
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GeekGirl
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Reged: 21/08/2008
Posts: 27
Loc: Edinburgh, UK
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Hiya
Thanks for your reply, I think I get it now!....Just in case anyone else is reading this I've done the sums:
My camera produces images that are 4288x2848 and apparently at a resolution (horizontal and vertical) of 300dpi. Therefore the 'real' size of an uncropped image from this camera would be 14.3x9.5".
The course booklet specifies a minimum size of 5x7" and a max. of A4 (which is approx. 8.3x11.7") which, assuming 300 pixels makes 1", means:
min.image size = 2100x1500 pixels
max. image size = 3508x2480 pixels
To go one step further, the standard size image my camera produces is bigger than the maximum allowed and so all images have to be resized to at least 82% of the original size.
I guess now you can see why my screen name is GeekGirl! I'm a scientist by trade and I just love a good maths problem
Thanks again! It makes sense to me now and I'll use the above to figure out the aspect ratio's I need for my Module 1 submission
Heather
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Northerner
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Reged: 23/01/2006
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Loc: Sydney, Oz (ex. Manchester)
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Quote:
The course booklet specifies a minimum size of 5x7" and a max. of A4 (which is approx. 8.3x11.7") which, assuming 300 pixels makes 1", means:
min.image size = 2100x1500 pixels
max. image size = 3508x2480 pixels
Nail on head
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AlphaCore
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Reged: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5
Loc: East Yorkshire
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Hi Heather,
You could use something like Gimp for editing your pictures. It's a free program but is similar to Photoshop.
Andrew
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GeekGirl
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Reged: 21/08/2008
Posts: 27
Loc: Edinburgh, UK
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Hey Andrew,
Thanks for the tip! I've never used GIMP before and it's soooo much better
Picassa begone!
Now all that's left is to finish picking my pictures for Module 1....decisions, decisions.....
Heather
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Chloe
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Reged: 18/06/2008
Posts: 22
Loc: London
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Hi guys,
I was a bit confused with this as well but after reading what you've all put I now understand....(i think). There is just one thing I still can't get my head around and sorry if this is a stupid question but what is the minimum image size and maximum image size for the panoramics?
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GeekGirl
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Reged: 21/08/2008
Posts: 27
Loc: Edinburgh, UK
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Hi Chloe,
Aha! You've hit the nail on the head there. I'm about to slip into geek mode again ....
There is an inconsistency between the stated size requirements and the requirements for module 1. Perhaps one of the tutors can say what the official line on this is but this is my interpretation:
The minimum picture size is 5x7" and a panoramic aspect ratio is 1:3 so let's say we choose a 5" width that would imply a 15" length which is beyond the length of A4. So at least one of the dimensions for the panoramic submissions must be below the stated minimum size. I had planned to take my picture width as 1/3 the length of A4. Whether this is the correct approach I have no idea, but the course requirements aren't clear enough on this point to be sure.
For the square image to stick to the requirements we'd need a minimum size of 7x7" (since this would overall be larger in area than 5x7"), but given how open to interpretation this is you could arguably go down to 5x5". I think for the picture I was planning to submit I've plumped for 6x6" because the composition looks nicest at that size. I'm not sure if that will be acceptable though.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? I'm guessing that module 1 is probably the only one that suffers from this ambiguity....
Oh well, back to the dayjob. Sigh. 
Heather
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Paul_M
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Reged: 25/03/2008
Posts: 22
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What I did - and I'm not saying its right, but I didn't get told off for doing it.;)
I took the panoramic picture as normal but bearing in mind I was going to crop it when I framed it. I then cropped the image so that the shortest side was 1500 pixels (5 inches minimum x 300 dpi). As my camera's 3000 x 2000 pixels, I didn't achieve a 3:1 ratio for the panorama, but I explained in the notes that I would have liked to crop more but couldn't due to the size constraints.
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GeekGirl
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Reged: 21/08/2008
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Loc: Edinburgh, UK
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Hi Paul,
That's good to know! I was wondering about whether the size issues would cause a big problem but perhaps I'll do as you did and include a note on that in the self assessment.
Thanks for the advice
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Garry McNamara
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Reged: 16/08/2006
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The print sizes are really there for convenience - yes students really did send in 16"x20" prints - sending those around the place would just about double the cost of the course! 5x7 was about the smallest practical and A4 the largest. How you distribute your print on anything in between those two frames is entirely up to you.
So here's a perfectly acceptable way of putting a panoramic image on an A4 print –
And no you don't have to do that - an 5x7 or an A4 print gone at with some scissors or a marker pen is just fine too - we want to see how imaginative you are not how clever you are!
Obviously the square image could be 5”x5” or 210mmx210mm. Specifying all the sizes for each format I’m sure would have confused more students than specifying a print between 5x7 and A4. Simply put whatever you do make sure it fits on A4 and no larger.
By the way there is no agreed panoramic format – I’ve used 4”x10” cameras, 6x17cm cameras, a Horizon that shot 24x58mm and a Globuscope that shoots a 360 degree picture – obviously those are not going to fit neatly on an A4 sheet but I've pictures shot with all of them printed in A4 magazines.
As ever on the course it’s the pictures that count.
Garry
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GeekGirl
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Reged: 21/08/2008
Posts: 27
Loc: Edinburgh, UK
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I have a question for GIMP users.....
Why is it that GIMP changes the resolution of pictures that it saves? I have gone into the advanced save option, put everything up to maximum quality/100% and told it to give me 1x1 binning (i.e. no binning) yet the JPEG and TIFF files it creates all have a resolution of no higher than 96dpi, when the original file had 300dpi.
If I crop the images in Microsoft Image Editor, or Picassa (which is a pain because neither let me specify the crop size I want and hover the crop box around the photo to pick the area I want...) then the saved result has the same 300dpi resolution of the original image.
Any ideas???
Thanks! Heather
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GeekGirl
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Reged: 21/08/2008
Posts: 27
Loc: Edinburgh, UK
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Scratch that last post - I've worked it out
In case anyone else is wondering.....
When you have an image open in GIMP, go to the task bar at the top of the image pane and go to: Image>Print Size and you can change the resolution in there. When it comes to saving the image use 100% quality and the 1x1 binning and the saved image will have the full resolution.
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munro
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Reged: 17/01/2008
Posts: 19
Loc: Kendal, Cumbria
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Gary,
In reply to your comment re postage costs etc related to sending in large photographs. Not sure if you are aware of this but I (and assume everyone else) have been receiving our small memory sticks back from SPI in large 18" x14" jiffy bags that are too large to go through the letter box. The Postie has decided since they are marked pictures to take them back to the PO for me to collect.
George
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Garry McNamara
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...I'll have a word, my posties are on very good terms with me - one of them ripped me load of CDs the other day but I think it might be a shorts wearer thing.
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Paul_M
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Reged: 25/03/2008
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Ah - so its not just me then...
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APchris
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Reged: 06/05/2006
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Loc: Lincolnshire
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Quote:
Gary,
In reply to your comment re postage costs etc related to sending in large photographs. Not sure if you are aware of this but I (and assume everyone else) have been receiving our small memory sticks back from SPI in large 18" x14" jiffy bags that are too large to go through the letter box. The Postie has decided since they are marked pictures to take them back to the PO for me to collect.
George
I've just finished the old digital imaging course and I too had my USB pen drive returned in those large jiffy bags. I asked my post office if it cost any more to post such a large bag and their reply - no, as they send it recorded delivery it costs the same no matter what the size.
My guess is AP have bought in a job lot of large bags to return A4 folders and portfolios that many SPI students use to submit prints so it wouldn't be cost effective to have a smaller size for the few pen drives they get.
On the plus side I now have a large collection of 18" x 14" jiffy bags
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Chris
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