TheFatControlleR
L'éminence Grise, Devil's Advocate & AP Fanboy!
Reged: 24/04/2001
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That's not 'rude', you should try posting in The Lounge! 
Oh, incidentally, if you can't tolerate rude might I suggest, for your emotional wellbeing, you stay clear of the modelling industry.  
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TheFatControlleR
And so, my fellow Benchists: ask not what your bench can do for you - ask what you can do for your bench... Ben Chism
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pachinkofan
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Reged: 25/08/2005
Posts: 842
Loc: Near Stirling, Scotland
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That's not 'rude', you should try posting in The Lounge!
She has, how about a "link to the original post"?
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cloenna
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Reged: 25/07/2008
Posts: 17
Loc: oxfordshire
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i no full well the modelling industy is about contrustive critisism, and sometimes you have to be harsh to be kind
...however it is not about someone picking out typing errors...everybody knows full well what i ment, and critising my mistakes is just petty... i think alot of people would feel the same if they had someone on their posts critising there every typing mistake!
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cloenna
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Reged: 25/07/2008
Posts: 17
Loc: oxfordshire
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oh and if anybody would like to check out my pictures, i have a few on my website, i do apologise they are all taken by me and are not very good but it gives u a vague idea of what i look like, they were all taken a little while back and i have lost quite a bit of weight since then...but im certainly not an 86 yr old toothless hag...
www.freewebs.com/portfoliopictures
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Fen
BAD WOLF
Reged: 12/03/2002
Posts: 20924
Loc: Currently Unknown!
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Perhaps... just perhaps... She was trying to help you.
Making a post full of mistakes and bad grammar might be an indication of how you would normally go about writing emails/letters to potential clients/agencies/photographers about work.
That would give a bad probably false, impression of you and not something you'd want.
You came here asking for a photographer to help you and in the first post you had several spelling mistakes, including amatuer (amateur) and portfollio (portfolio). That could give the impression that you don't really care if you don't bother to correctly spell the word of the thing you're actually after!
As with all things, in business as well as in personal life... A good first impression counts.
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NorthernNikon
Bulls Hitter
Reged: 16/12/2005
Posts: 6167
Loc: Harrogate, North Yorks
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As with all things, in business as well as in personal life... A good first impression counts.
You never get a second chance to make a first impression ...
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cloenna
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Reged: 25/07/2008
Posts: 17
Loc: oxfordshire
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I know a first impression always sticks, and i should be a little more careful but i am dyslexic and am spending so much time and effort into starting my modelling career off i am knackered. Usually i would go over all the words on a spell check to make sure i havent made any mistakes, but i havent had the time to faff about with that...
Anyway i thought most photographers are ment to be quite laid back or is that me being slightly prejudice?
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TheFatControlleR
L'éminence Grise, Devil's Advocate & AP Fanboy!
Reged: 24/04/2001
Posts: 11654
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Anyway i thought most photographers are ment to be quite laid back or is that me being slightly prejudice?
No, I'd wager that's a misconception on the part of whoever you got the idea from. I can't really see the likes of Mario Testino (or David Bailey, in his day) getting to their level in the industry by being 'laid back'.
To my mind, if you want the best you have to present your best, and the advice that's been on offer here (whether you like it or not) is in your best innerests and, in the main, sound advice for any work endeavour, not just the model industry - which is, as you know, extremely competitive and riddled with cowboys (who are, generally, laid back).
Anyhoo, I'm inclined to agree with Fen with regards to 'getting it right'. Professionals don't make excuses (no matter how valid) they just get it right.
Dyslexia, or not, when one is trying to make the right (first, second, (if you're lucky) third...) impression you need to make time to 'faff about' with that if you're serious about what you're trying to do (even at this level) - I suspect a poorly written & constructed covering letter to an agency would join the other 99.9% of all such letters in the bin, there are no 'valid excuses', rightly or wrongly you will be judged on that initial contact, and you have to make an impact, the right impact (and that may well be before they even see what you look like).
You may think we're being harsh, but as I said, this is nothing compared to the real world. Just sayin'.
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TheFatControlleR
And so, my fellow Benchists: ask not what your bench can do for you - ask what you can do for your bench... Ben Chism
Live fat, die young, and leave a self-basting corpse...
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GeoffR
Reged: 31/05/2003
Posts: 3834
Loc: Bucks
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I know a first impression always sticks, and i should be a little more careful but i am dyslexic and am spending so much time and effort into starting my modelling career off i am knackered. Usually i would go over all the words on a spell check to make sure i havent made any mistakes, but i havent had the time to faff about with that...
Anyway i thought most photographers are ment to be quite laid back or is that me being slightly prejudice?
OK, I wish you every success in your chosen career but I am not in a position to help with photographs.
I can however help with the spell check. If you download Firefox it has the ability to spell check your posts. You simply need to download the appropriate, British English, dictionary.
Most people on here are trying to be constructive, it may not seem that way but I suggest most of us want you to succeed so please just stick with it and we will do what we can. Don't be put off by the comments, take them the way they are meant, as encouragement to sell yourself in the best way you can.
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zx9
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Reged: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1039
Loc: London
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I can however help with the spell check. If you download Firefox it has the ability to spell check your posts. You simply need to download the appropriate, British English, dictionary.
Or just have 'Word' or other WP running in a separate window and CRTL C, CTRL V into it for a spell checker. I do.
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GeoffR
Reged: 31/05/2003
Posts: 3834
Loc: Bucks
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I can however help with the spell check. If you download Firefox it has the ability to spell check your posts. You simply need to download the appropriate, British English, dictionary.
Or just have 'Word' or other WP running in a separate window and CRTL C, CTRL V into it for a spell checker. I do.
Rather more cumbersome than Firefox though and does rather depend on your wanting to use it. Mine is full time.
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john_g
Pooh-bah Hoo-ha
Reged: 09/05/2007
Posts: 2536
Loc: Surrey
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If you're using Internet Explorer, Google for 'iespell' - free and good.
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ham888
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Reged: 11/06/2008
Posts: 193
Loc: Worcestreshire
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Come on chaps, give the girl a break, shes not applying for a place here reading English at Cambridge, she just wants a little help.
Chloe, you should have a PM, and NO I havn't offered to take some pics of her!
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frank1
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Reged: 14/06/2005
Posts: 626
Loc: the big smoke islington
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Come on chaps, give the girl a break, shes not applying for a place here reading English at Cambridge, she just wants a little help.
Chloe, you should have a PM, and NO I havn't offered to take some pics of her!
Good luck.
Here here and I'll say it but Bettina was absolutely rude no question about it. 
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bench_ubbster
Bench Meister
Reged: 08/08/2006
Posts: 2655
Loc: Cambridgeshire, UK
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I know that usually agencys can acept models without portfolios, but someone can look completely diffrent in person to how they act behind a camera.
I want to build a large portfolio of many diffrent styles- headshots, bodyshots, prom style dresses, alternitive clothes and makeup, casual styles, props and outdoor shoots; so that the agencys i apply for can see i can do anything and everything...
Please keep the advice coming, i love a good debate lol....
Oh and as i am only 17 does anybody know if there are any legal documents i can apply for confirming my guardians permission?????
Chloe
This website looks useful particularly this advice
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cloenna
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Reged: 25/07/2008
Posts: 17
Loc: oxfordshire
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I know this is probably not something to voice to you, because you will no doubt tear apart my every word but here it goes....
Photography is about art and appreciating the beauty of the planet we live on....surely if you are not slightly laid back you loose the meaning of photography and make it loose its spark? (not only that but you make the model feel exremely uncomfortable not allowing him/her to work to their best standards)
Mario Testino and David Bailey got to where they were by yes, working extremely hard, but they also had to take a large step back and look at the world not through the poisoned eyes of money and greed but through those of a mind of clairty....
If more photographers remembered why they came into the industry they would maybe produce better photos, with more meaning and soul....
I agree a poorly written cover letter to an agency wouldnt get me very far, but i was mearly writing a post on forum lol not really a biggy is it...
Everyone has being extremly helpful and i can handle constructive critisim but bettina wasnt being helpful at all. She just sat there critising my grammer, i didnt come here to be marked on my grammer, i came here to gain some knoledge and advice on photographers.... 
Edited by cloenna (05/08/2008 14:02)
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cloenna
newbie
Reged: 25/07/2008
Posts: 17
Loc: oxfordshire
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thanks a very helpful site 
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NorthernNikon
Bulls Hitter
Reged: 16/12/2005
Posts: 6167
Loc: Harrogate, North Yorks
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Photography is about art and appreciating the beauty of the plant we live on....
Now, if there ever was an example of why it is important to spend the time and proof you writing if you ever want to be taken seriously I think this is it. Classic.
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cloenna
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Reged: 25/07/2008
Posts: 17
Loc: oxfordshire
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Photography is about art and appreciating the beauty of the plant we live on....
Now, if there ever was an example of why it is important to spend the time and proof you writing if you ever want to be taken seriously I think this is it. Classic.
your wording is not very good either and now you made yourself look like the idiot...
Any good photographer knows photography is about art and the beauty of the world and certainly not about stuck up know it alls correcting my english...just get a life and stop critising my typing errors....
Edited by cloenna (05/08/2008 14:05)
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NorthernNikon
Bulls Hitter
Reged: 16/12/2005
Posts: 6167
Loc: Harrogate, North Yorks
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your wording is not very good either and now you made yourself look like the idiot...
I made myself look like an idiot a long long time ago, but it's never stopped me since.
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