Roy5051
Reged: 02/09/2001
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Aren't Canon-Europe being a teensy bit over optimistic at setting the RRP of the new EOS 1000D at £499.99 body only?
Look at the competition: Nikon D60 £359; Pentax K200D £379; Olympus E-420 £329; Sony a200 £289. All 10 megapixel cameras, with similar specifications and all much lower in price "on the street".
OK, you may say, the RRP bears little or no relationship to the "street" price, true, so I fail to understand why camera companies set RRPs so high, then immediately start discounting the price as soon as the cameras hit the shelves.
The EOS 1000D will probably be discounted by at least £150 when it hits the shops, so why not be realistic with the RRP in the first place. Look at the EOS 450D - SRP £599.99 body only, already discounted to £449 (£150)!
By using a realistic RRP/SRP, it would also give the smaller independent retailer a fighting chance of competing with the big boys.
(Prices quoted above taken from Park Cameras advert in this week's AP dated 21 June 2008)
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Bawbee
Stick'in wi'it
Reged: 06/05/2000
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By setting a high RRP, the manufacturers are relying on the customer's perceptions of a bargain with the street price.
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Roy5051
Reged: 02/09/2001
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Not very honest, though, is it? Ah well, that's business I suppose!
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sjaszczak
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£350 to be a serious challenge at that end of the market... £375 would still be attractive for newbies wanting to buy into the Canon system.
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Bawbee
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Not very honest, though, is it? Ah well, that's business I suppose!
Roy, How much advertising and marketing is totally honest? 
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Stanilaus
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Reged: 01/08/2007
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or here's a better idea, how about buying a second hand 30d from mifsuds for 315 quid? Its going to be much better than the 1000d, or if you need something smaller, get a second hand 400d for only 249! That way, all the firmware kinks will already have been worked out, and you wont have to put a 12 week pre-order in for it!
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sjaszczak
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Reged: 08/06/2005
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or here's a better idea, how about buying a second hand 30d from mifsuds for 315 quid? Its going to be much better than the 1000d, or if you need something smaller, get a second hand 400d for only 249! That way, all the firmware kinks will already have been worked out, and you wont have to put a 12 week pre-order in for it!
Yeah, but I'm not sure how many first-time buyers are going to think like that. Most likely they will go to retailers that only really sell new kit and wont give much consideration to the second hand market. I agree with you that there are some good 2nd hand options out there...but for your first DSLR I reckon people want something new and shiny (and with a warranty).
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alanS
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Reged: 30/09/2005
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They're going to have to drop the price, a lot, otherwise I just can't see the point of this as an entry level camera 
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beejaybee
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They're going to have to drop the price, a lot
They will - the high street price of Canon's other DSLR bodies bears little relation to the RRP, even before allowing for cashback offers.
I don't know what Canon are up to, but I thought the strange thing was running the 450D in parallel with the 400D as a slightly more upmarket version - I think it's this confusion that they're trying to address by replacing the 400D with the 1000D, following the usual marketing model of more digits meaning aimed nearer to the base.
Surely the appropriate argument to be having is what features are being "sacrificed" in the move down market, not what the RRP is, as no-one will ever pay the RRP or anything close to it.
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alanS
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Maybe the published RRP will put people off? If I was in the market for an entry level camera the published price would mean that the 1000D wouldn't even appear on my radar. I'd go straight to Samsung or Sony and I don't think I'd give the 1000D even a glance, no matter what the price tag actually read.
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bob58
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Reged: 27/11/2005
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but if they were in a shop all around the same price surley you would look at it then?
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sjaszczak
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as no-one will ever pay the RRP or anything close to it.
They might if they shop at Jessops. 
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NorthernMonkey
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Reged: 01/05/2007
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or here's a better idea, how about buying a second hand 30d from mifsuds for 315 quid? Its going to be much better than the 1000d, or if you need something smaller, get a second hand 400d for only 249! That way, all the firmware kinks will already have been worked out, and you wont have to put a 12 week pre-order in for it!
An average canon DSLR lasts about 100,000 shots. As it's not easily possible to tell how many shots a camera has take, I'm a little nervous of buying second hand.
This wasnt really a problems with film cameras, as not many people blatted their way thru 1000s of rolls.
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El Sid
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An average canon DSLR lasts about 100,000 shots. As it's not easily possible to tell how many shots a camera has take, I'm a little nervous of buying second hand.
Unless you are looking to buy a used 1D type then I honestly doubt that shutter life is ever likely to come into the equation. If we take the mean life of the shutter to be 100,000 actuations that's the equivalent of 10,000 per annum for 10 years - just short of 200 per week - and to be honest how many of us enthusiasts really take that many shots in a week? I know I don't - and I've still got more pictures on file than I have time to process! The more average user probably isn't going to get through even that many...
Both my DSLR's were bought second hand and neither has so far given any trouble. The oldest, a D30, is probably 7 years old or thereabouts and the only age related issue (other then the 3.2Mp sensor and slow processor) is possibly a dodgy contact on the rear control wheel.
Buying anything secondhand carries a modicum of risk but if you use a reputable dealer or purchase from a source you know to be reliable I don't believe purchasing a used digital SLR is any more risky than a film one...
FWIW the only mechanical issues I've ever had are the notorious sticky shutter syndrome that affected early EOS and my 5 has the usual lack of click stops on the mode dial...
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NorthernMonkey
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Horses for courses I guess, but I would not be comfortable buying one, I know my 1 year old 400d has 11000 actuations, and it would be easy to use it more. A D30 or similar may have had semi-pro use for weddings etc, and may have many more. It could also, have many less, but it is a risk you take. I have, however, bought a few second hand film cameras with no problems.
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Stanilaus
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firstly, if you're buying a 400d/30d type SLR then there's no way you are going to reach 100,000 shots, 1 series maybe, but not with these cameras. Secondly, most good online dealers give you 6 months warranty on a secondhand SLR, which is enough for anybody. If you buy a new camera it could in all likely hood not work when you take it out of the box, or could pack up within the first week, whereas that's not going to happen with a nice second hand camera thats been tested to death. Also, when I got my second hand 30d it looked brand new; they'd even put a new protective film on the viewing screen.
Buying a new DSLR is just like buying a new car, it should be left to those with more money than sense
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Benchista
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An average canon DSLR lasts about 100,000 shots.
An interesting statistic - where did you find that?
I suspect what you mean is that the average Canon DSLR has a shutter engineered to last 100,000 shots, but that's not at all the same thing - some will fail long before that, some (in all liklihood the majority) will last long after that.
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Mojo_66
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Reged: 25/05/2006
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Unless you are looking to buy a used 1D type then I honestly doubt that shutter life is ever likely to come into the equation. If we take the mean life of the shutter to be 100,000 actuations that's the equivalent of 10,000 per annum for 10 years - just short of 200 per week - and to be honest how many of us enthusiasts really take that many shots in a week?
I do if I'm shooting digital, I tend to bracket a lot.
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