sandyfyfe
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Taking my F80 on holiday to Naples. Hope to do a lot of shooting around Pompeii in July. I'm guessing there will be lots of light around.
I was thinking about buying a filter as the intese light may cause problems, but I'm not sure if an ND grad or polarising filter would be better. Some books suggest that the circular polariser can do the same job as an ND grad.
Does anyone have any thoughts/recommendations?
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beejaybee
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Load ISO 100 film and you won't have problems with too much light ...
The polariser will reduce light by 1.5 - 2 stops but it changes saturation & reflections as well. In bright sun it's very easy to overdo the effect. Personally I wouldn't bother. Yes, it does darken a blue sky (no effect on a cloudy one) but the effect can look very strange with wide angle lenses.
As for the ND grad - if you need it because of contrast between the land & sky then it doesn't matter what the light level is - in fact in my experience you're more likely to need an ND grad when shooting in twilight!
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sandyfyfe
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Thank you for the reply.
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Wheelu
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A problem with the polarizer is that it can cause an uneven darkening of the sky, you get very dark blue on one side of the image and a much lighter blue on the other. However I would not write off the polarizer, it can give some much needed sparkle to a scene, just use it with care.
The effect of using a polarizing filter is entirely dependent upon the relative positions of the sun and the camera. In some situations it has very little affect upon the appearance of the scene.
You don't need to buy a "circular" polarizer for use with film, although if you use it with both digital and film cameras the more expensive circular type will be necessary.
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swanseadave
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I remember taking the train from Sorrento to Pompei some years ago.As soon as we arrived the heavens opened and there was water everywhere.It didn`t last long and an hour later you wouldn`t know it had rained.
Pompei is a magical place but one day isn`t enough.we hired a local guide for a few hundred Lira.His knowledge was invaluble. You don`t have to look for one, they approach you.Herculanium is also well worth seeing.IIRC it`s 1 or 2 stops before Pompei.BTW I used ISO 100 no probs.
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LargeFormat
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Years ago I spent several days photographing Pompeii using Ektachrome 64 without any exposure problems. After all at 1/1000 @ f22 it would have to be pretty bright to over-expose. Shortly after my visit there was an earthquake so my pictures might even have historical value!
I agree that you must also visit Herculanium. It is fantastic and much less known about. Being buried in mud even the woodwok has survived.
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AlexMonro
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You don't need to buy a "circular" polarizer for use with film, although if you use it with both digital and film cameras the more expensive circular type will be necessary.
You may need a circular polariser for correct operation of autofocus and metering on modern film cameras such as the F80.
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sandyfyfe
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Thank you everyone. Herculaneum and Parnassus are on my list to see as well.
I checked the manual for the camera and it says to use circular instead of linear polarisers. Something to do with the way the TTL metering system works.
I think I'll invest in some ISO 100 film for the trip instead. When I was in Rome a few years back, ISO 100 was not easy to find. Lots of kodak gold ISO 200 and 400, but not being local, I didn't know where to look for a photography specialist.
I haven't tried slide photography yet. Still trying to get it right with film. That's a challenge for another time.
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NorthernMonkey
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Fuji Superia is the only non-pro 100iso film that I'm aware of (someone might correct me here), but portra 160VC gives better results, IMHO, when exposed at 125.
Make sure you carry your film onto the flight. Putting in through the hold will zap it with xrays. The hand luggage scanner is unlikely to affect your film
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I checked the manual for the camera and it says to use circular instead of linear polarisers. Something to do with the way the TTL metering system works.
Indeed. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with if the camera is film or digital, purely with the way it gathers light for the AF and/or metering systems. Systems that use beam splitters/semi-silvered mirrors can be confused by linear polarisers - that's virtually all AF SLRs, film or digital, and many other SLRs with spotemeters or multi-pattern meters. Some people report success using linear polarisers with such cameras, but I wouldn't personally take the risk. A polariser will act as an ND filter, but you could consider a non-graduated ND filter.
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Per
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Fuji Superia is the only non-pro 100iso film that I'm aware of (someone might correct me here)
Your wish is my command. Reala is (confusingly) badged as Superia Reala but it's a different film from Superia 100. It's so good, I don't use anything else...
Mfr blurb:
"Fuji Reala premium ISO 100 film for photographing people and special occasions or for images intended for portraits or enlargements. Delivers extraordinary levels of colour accuracy, granularity and sharpness and versatility under various light sources. Superia Reala offers the finest and smoothest grain of all the Superia films and produces beautiful, natural skin tones and rich textures to enhance your film photography."
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sandyfyfe
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I found only 3 rolls of Fujifilm ISO 100 Superia in Reading this week-end, and we are not short of camera shops. The chap in the shop said it was in short supply.
I have used the ISO400 stuff before and it looks good. I went for the superia rather than the reala, as the reala is described as being more for porrtaits, and I think I'll be shooting more landscapes in Italy.
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NorthernMonkey
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Unfortunately, you need to buy your film online now. It's normally difficult to get hold of in shops, so most people who use a lot, buy online, so local shops stock even less... etc.
A few advertisers in AP offer discount film, you normally get a fair discount when you buy 10 rolls of each at a time. mailshots and discountfilmsdirect are both AP advertisers IIRC
http://discountfilmsdirect.co.uk/shop/acatalog/Fuji_Superia_100_36.html
£16 for 10 rolls here
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Mugshot
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Taking my F80 on holiday to Naples. Hope to do a lot of shooting around Pompeii in July. I'm guessing there will be lots of light around.
I was thinking about buying a filter as the intese light may cause problems, but I'm not sure if an ND grad or polarising filter would be better. Some books suggest that the circular polariser can do the same job as an ND grad.
Does anyone have any thoughts/recommendations?
You're right to ask the question in bright sunlight with ISO 100 film you run out of apertures, or shutter speeds to control the light intensity, I would take 2x neutral density filter (that will half the film speed to ISO 50) and a 4x ND filter(that will quarter the film speed to 25 ISO )these are round screw in filters,( not graduated N.D ones that are square and intended to even out the exposure between the land and the sky on landscape work,) your cameras TTL metering will compensate for the exposure.
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ermintrude
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You can get square plain ND filters too (as opposed to ND grad)
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Mugshot
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I have a couple of the Cokin ones , but find the optical quality of them is poor compared with the dyed in the mass optical flat glass ones, and feel if you spend all that money on a lens its worth retaining it.
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