TimF
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How on earth can a camera be sexy?
First impressions....same as the D2x, they both remind me of a mobile phone, about twenty five years ago 
Yes. Nice bit of kit, but far too big for my liking. If we all shout loud enough, d'ya reckon Nikon would do a kind of 5D-alike? I don't need a zillion frames-a-second either. 
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BrianT
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d'ya reckon Nikon would do a kind of 5D-alike?
It would be nice Tim.
This morning I have been playing with my F3, lovely camera. Do you know for two pins I would start looking at scanners. I just don't see the point, the manufacturers keep bringing out all these fantastically high spec cameras loaded with features and we all seem to take the same rubbish we did in the dark ages of Compur Rapid shutters and a hand held meter.
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downfader
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The d300 is probably as close to a 5D as we're gonna see for a long while I reckon. 
I think the shutter noise on dslrs should be addressed though. Why do they have to sound like tommy guns?  The amount of times I've scared off wildlife in the garden with mine and from the sounds of the videos on youtube the d3 and d300 aint much better. Possibly worse.
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Rhys
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Does make me wonder why I have a silent option on my F4 (think it's more for the motor drive than anything else - just gives a fluttering sound) and dSLR's are noisier when there is no motor drive at all..
Just done a comparison between a Pentax SP1, a Nikon F4E and a D1x and the F4 was quieter (discluding the sound of motor drive) and I think the SP1 (Spotmatic) is slightly quieter than the D1x..
You'd think that mirror dampening would be more advanced than it is, or pelical mirrors would have been bettered since the Canon EOS1-RS and RT models to give brighter viewfinders (would also cut down on sensor dust if dust can't get to them..)
As for shutters, they can be made to be near enough silent - Leica have been doing that for years. Played with an M7 and could hardly hear the shutter being fired.
Just my tuppence worth.
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Mark_Norton
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Indeed, the M7 shutter is whisper quiet but struggles to do more than 1/700 second, not to mention flash sync at 1/50. The D3 is indeed noisy, but in an authoritative sort of way.... LOL.
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downfader
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Indeed, the M7 shutter is whisper quiet but struggles to do more than 1/700 second, not to mention flash sync at 1/50. The D3 is indeed noisy, but in an authoritative sort of way.... LOL.
You would sound authoratatative with a tommy gun. 
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Towershot
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When I first got the D300 I put it on CH (continuance high)
Just to see how fast it was,and nearly dropped it when the "Tommy Gun" went off.
If there was a feature I would like it would be a very quiet shutter.
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Rhys
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If you like the sound of shutters firing at full chat then try an F3 with MD-4 attached.
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Ethelred the Ill-Named
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Its not the shutter that makes the noise; its the mirror.
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downfader
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Its not the shutter that makes the noise; its the mirror.
True, but one could argue its part of the whole mechanism... (Thats my excuse anyway )
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Towershot
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Its not the shutter that makes the noise; its the mirror.
True, but one could argue its part of the whole mechanism... (Thats my excuse anyway )
LOL And mine
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El Sid
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I wonder if all this noise is due to the number chasing obsession with machine gun frame rates? The faster the frame rate the faster the mirror mechanism needs to cycle which must inevitably lead to more noise. I suppose one might argue that the OEMs could use two speed settings - one for continuous and one for single shooting - but of course a fast mirror also means a shorter shutter lag.......
I don't know how noisy the current crop of Nikon digiboxes really are but I do know there's a hell of a difference between my old 2-3 fps EOS D30 which is scarcely more than a quiet snick and the 5-6fps 20D which sounds like a dungeon door bolt in comparison....
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alanS
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"20D which sounds like a dungeon door bolt"
Embarrassingly loud I think and perhaps caused at least in part by the need to accept EF-S lenses. A selectable quieter mode would be welcomed by me.
I had a 10D for a while and the difference to the 20D was immediately noticeable. I can't remember what my 300D was like.
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El Sid
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Embarrassingly loud I think and perhaps caused at least in part by the need to accept EF-S lenses. A selectable quieter mode would be welcomed by me.
I had a 10D for a while and the difference to the 20D was immediately noticeable. I can't remember what my 300D was like.
True, the mirror has to move backwards slightly in order to clear the rear of the EF-S mount......... I continue to wonder, based on these sorts of drawback and the excellent quality achieved by the likes of Sigma and Tamron using the normal EF mount, why Canon persist with the idea....... 
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Benchista
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continue to wonder, based on these sorts of drawback and the excellent quality achieved by the likes of Sigma and Tamron using the normal EF mount, why Canon persist with the idea.......
But why oh why wouldn't they? If they can make either better lenses, or lenses as good but can make them cheaper, surely it makes sense to them?
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El Sid
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It's quite clear we are never going to agree on the validity of the EF-S concept. To me it appears that despite the theoretical advantages claimed for short back focus - about which I'm equally unconvinced - the 3rd party manufacturers are producing lenses as good or better than the Canon models and at a lower price. If Canon were to do the same they would not need the extra complication involved in back-shifting the mirror fractionally and the mirror mechanism would not be quite so loud...
To my mind all the EF-S system has done is add a compatibility issue to a system that was largely free of them (the flash control method excepted) for a claimed 'advantage' that largely does not appear to exist.......
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Benchista
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The point you've missed is that Canon can make more profit this way...
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El Sid
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Not if we all go off and buy Sigma they don't.........
And being the cynic I am that thought had crossed my mind.......... 
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Benchista
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I don't even mean it excessively cynically - simply that if they can design a lens that's competitive but costs them less due to the short back focus, then it's well worth their while. Of course the more cynical readings also apply...
FTR, I'm no lover of EF-S at all, just I can see why they've done it.
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Rhys
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Loudest camera I ever had the misfortune to use was a Fuji GW670 - the shutter gave a loud springy CLANG! No mirror as it was a range finder..
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