Rustyknight
old hand
Reged: 06/09/2006
Posts: 858
|
|
Have to agree with almost everything you've said...... especially as my comments earlier in the thread were made on the understanding that it wasn't a set up.
P'raps if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have been so effusive in praise (at least in the context of the competition)........ but c'est la vie!
However, to quote one of your previous posts...
Quote:
it did indeed fool a few people into thinking it was the "real McCoy" and kudos to Ian for achieving that.
That I do disagree with. Whether or not I was made a fool of is irrelevant, but to praise someone for making a fool out others is, in this case, a bit too much.
Edited by Rustyknight (18/04/2007 19:00)
|
Ian_A
Avocadopearaphobe
Reged: 02/09/2002
Posts: 7830
Loc: Horwich UK
|
|
Just for the record, Alan - what is your definition of 'Street photography'?
--------------------
Ian A 
|
mertonia
old hand
Reged: 21/08/2006
Posts: 741
Loc: locked away
|
|
for what it is worth - i think Ian has taken a great shot using models just as some other great street photographers have done so.
I think it is rather obvious that Ian's shot is staged - but so what - it is what it is.
peter
--------------------
'I only use a camera like I use a toothbrush. It does the job'
Don McCullin. The Destruction Business
|
AlanW
Reged: 08/01/2001
Posts: 3107
Loc: Edinburgh
|
|
Quote:
Just for the record, Alan - what is your definition of 'Street photography'?
Simply a photograph taken in a public space which tells a story, or part of a story, in a single frame and where the photographer is merely an observer exerting no influence on events, but the image should be more than merely a record shot, it should go beyond that, it can be humourous, ironic or whatever but there should be a point to it and in some way reflect the photographer's own take on life.
Street photography like the street itself is fluid, it can't really be constrained by a definition, its whatever you want it to be but there does seem to be a core of thought that many practitioners attempt to adhere to which involves 'telling the truth'. . . . . think of it as a crime scene with the photographer 'gathering evidence'.
I'm afraid that's the best I can do for now - I've just spent the last two hours in Tesco's 
Alan.
|
TheFatControlleR
L'éminence Grise, Devil's Advocate & AP Fanboy!
Reged: 24/04/2001
Posts: 11564
Loc: Not here, it's rubbish...
|
|
So, (for the sake of argument), if a 'scene' were being constructed by a third party (unknown to the photographer) in a street, and you happened across it and made a photograph of that scene, would the result be a valid 'street image'?
--------------------
TheFatControlleR
And so, my fellow Benchists: ask not what your bench can do for you - ask what you can do for your bench... Ben Chism
Live fat, die young, and leave a self-basting corpse...
|
Fen
BAD WOLF
Reged: 12/03/2002
Posts: 20845
Loc: Currently Unknown!
|
|
Quote:
Street photography like the street itself is fluid, it can't really be constrained by a definition, its whatever you want it to be but there does seem to be a core of thought that many practitioners attempt to adhere to which involves 'telling the truth'. . . . .
I'm not going to mention Henri Cartier-Bresson and faking street scenes.
--------------------
Fen .......... My Galleries - My Blog - My Flickr
|
AlanW
Reged: 08/01/2001
Posts: 3107
Loc: Edinburgh
|
|
Quote:
I'm not going to mention Henri Cartier-Bresson and faking street scenes.
Not sure what you're alluding to there, Fen, but I don't think of HCB as primarily a street photographer, I see him more as a photojournalist. There's a few grey areas particularly between SP and photojournalism but Winogrand and Frank tend to be bigger influences on street photographers than HCB IMO, and even then the influence tends to extend only to those of us of a certain age, the younger photographers coming through have different genres and gods to follow. For the first time recenly I saw a Cartier-Bresson book remaindered, aye, times have changed.
Alan.
|
AlanW
Reged: 08/01/2001
Posts: 3107
Loc: Edinburgh
|
|
Quote:
So, (for the sake of argument), if a 'scene' were being constructed by a third party (unknown to the photographer) in a street, and you happened across it and made a photograph of that scene, would the result be a valid 'street image'?
Possibly, there are no hard and fast rules, it depends . . . . on how it fits the photographer's 'model' of what a street photograph is.
To some purist street photographers, photographing something like a demonstration would not constitute street photography because its borne out of something other than the ebb and flow of everyday life. Similar, I suppose, to a nature photographer shooting wildlife in a zoo.
Alan.
|
TheFatControlleR
L'éminence Grise, Devil's Advocate & AP Fanboy!
Reged: 24/04/2001
Posts: 11564
Loc: Not here, it's rubbish...
|
|
Thanks for your reply Alan, much appreciated.
--------------------
TheFatControlleR
And so, my fellow Benchists: ask not what your bench can do for you - ask what you can do for your bench... Ben Chism
Live fat, die young, and leave a self-basting corpse...
|
Mojo_66
Rain Kat
Reged: 25/05/2006
Posts: 3360
Loc: Lancs
|
|
Saw someone setting up a street shot in town the other day. Should've taken a shot, but I only had a digi compact which would've taken too long to start up. Wish I'd have had my old Minolta with me, it's ready even if I'm not!
--------------------
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mojo_black/
|
AlanW
Reged: 08/01/2001
Posts: 3107
Loc: Edinburgh
|
|
I came across this post on photostream which sums up nicely some of the mental processes involved in SP.
Alan.
|
BigWill
Gorgeous oversensitive Nikon-loving cream puff
Reged: 08/09/2000
Posts: 33755
Loc: Northern Ireland
|
|
Just to clarify that point, I wasn't praising Ian for fooling people but rather for his technical ability in making the scene appear realistic. As my other comments have stated clearly I am a great believer that with any "staged" street/candid shot the photographer should make his audience clearly aware that it is such.
BigWill
--------------------
I'm sailing like a driftwood on a windy bay.
|
Badgerman
Nocturnal Non-Scaredy Cat In A Deep Pit
Reged: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2349
Loc: Devon.
|
|
Still a great shot as most would agree 
--------------------
Regards
Colin.
If I could, I probably would.
www.colinsargent.co.uk
Wildlife Photographer.
|
Eru
member
Reged: 05/08/2006
Posts: 150
|
|
I thought it would be classed as a street shot... still love the picture though.
|
BigWill
Gorgeous oversensitive Nikon-loving cream puff
Reged: 08/09/2000
Posts: 33755
Loc: Northern Ireland
|
|
Quote:
Still a great shot as most would agree
Absolutely..................no question about that!  .........................but for me personally...............knowing that it was a "setup" does detract from it somewhat. Will be very interested to hear Garry's views on it for it must surely make his final list!
BigWill
--------------------
I'm sailing like a driftwood on a windy bay.
Edited by BigWill (20/04/2007 07:44)
|
Lounge Lizard
Old Wrinkly
Reged: 17/01/2004
Posts: 17885
Loc: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
|
|
Quote:
Well captured David
Thanks Chris. I've got a whole portfolio of 'copper shots'. I do like SP and maybe I'll pop a few more up in the Exhibition Lounge.
--------------------
Lounge Lizard
Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.
Winston Churchill
|
APchris
veteran
Reged: 06/05/2006
Posts: 1574
Loc: Lincolnshire
|
|
Er... Ian A, your photo appears to have 'fallen off the wall'!!!  
Hope you haven't pulled it after all the talk about it being set up. It was an excellent image and setting it up doesn't matter at all!
Most 'Street Photography' looks like snap shots to me so to be 'interesting' it has to have something special about it so if you have to set it up to get a message accross, then so be it.
Take Mr_Geoff's Really???, obviously he hasn't placed the wedding dresses in that window but I'm guessing he will have waited for the woman to pass infront of the shop before pressing the shutter, without her hurried disinterest it wouldn't have had the same impact. So in that respect it could be argued it was 'set up' - but who cares!!!, its another great image.
Even my own poor effort, 'The Late Train', is 'set up' in that I pre-conceived the idea and had to choose the right location to take the shot then not only wait for the train to arrive but then wait for the right moment to press the shutter. Not the spontaneous 'snap shot' that some believe street should be!
Hope you stick your image back on the wall Ian
--------------------
Chris
Better a bad day on the water than a good day at the office 
My Flickr sets
|
ermintrude
Hinkypuff
Reged: 30/06/2003
Posts: 12486
Loc: London, UK
|
|
Oh I dont believe it. I missed all this saga  Whats the big deal? It was s superb photo, and no reason at all to take it down. It says "Candid SLASH street" and nowhere in street do I see it has to be unplanned, or it would be, er, candid...  Throughout history street stuff has been planned.
Like your blue tack though Ian, thats a winner
--------------------
   
|
Badgerman
Nocturnal Non-Scaredy Cat In A Deep Pit
Reged: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2349
Loc: Devon.
|
|
Quote:
Like your blue tack though Ian, thats a winner
Like I said earlier, he comes up with some great ideas...picture gone...blue tack remaining...brilliant
--------------------
Regards
Colin.
If I could, I probably would.
www.colinsargent.co.uk
Wildlife Photographer.
|
mertonia
old hand
Reged: 21/08/2006
Posts: 741
Loc: locked away
|
|
the blu tac is the winner - well dome Ian
peter
--------------------
'I only use a camera like I use a toothbrush. It does the job'
Don McCullin. The Destruction Business
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
[Re: 
Edit
Reply
Quote
