Benchista
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It's also the best RAW convertor out, IMVHO...
And if it were Nikon land, you would have to pay for their worthwhile RAW convertor. Still, it is a bit steep on top, isn't it?
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BigWill
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It's also the best RAW convertor out, IMVHO...
And if it were Nikon land, you would have to pay for their worthwhile RAW convertor. Still, it is a bit steep on top, isn't it?
..............yep, just like Mount Everest.............."it's a bit steep on top" 
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Hadn't spotted it needed elite - I don't suppose Jessies would bundle it in..... 
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Benchista
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It's also the best RAW convertor out, IMVHO...
And if it were Nikon land, you would have to pay for their worthwhile RAW convertor. Still, it is a bit steep on top, isn't it?
..............yep, just like Mount Everest.............."it's a bit steep on top"
BigWill
Thought you might say that! 
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9pins
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Hello,
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Problems 1-5 are consequential and Canon cannot be blamed for those.
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Problem six - I might when I use a wide angle lens fully open with the 5D, have to spend an extra 2 seconds correcting the vignetting as part of my post processing - ?
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That's a little naive if I may say so.
Well I can only describe how this will affect me personally and I suspect many more users of the 5D - I would have perhaps preferred the word inexperienced rather than niave, but what the heck I am sure you meant well.
I agree the 5D should not vignette as it does, but do I think the majority of people who will use it, will have a problem with vignetting, then no I don't. I am just trying to be realistic.
And ok, perhaps 2 seconds was being a bit ambition, but again it was the sentiment of taking very little time that I meant, rather than the actual amount of time.
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SteveEM
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Hi all,
So...the biggest camera seller in the world is selling a camera for £1500 and it DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.
There is no escaping that fact. Is someone going to get a letter to this effect published in AP?....
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I don't think that you can say that it doesn't work properly. It certainly takes photographs so on that level it works as a camera. I think that it's more the degree to which it works and the effects exhibited that may be the problem.
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BigWill
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Hi all,
So...the biggest camera seller in the world is selling a camera for £1500 and it DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.
There is no escaping that fact. Is someone going to get a letter to this effect published in AP?....
...............for once in his life BigWill keeps it zipped! 
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Lounge Lizard
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Anybody can write a letter to AP and it's up to AP to decide which of their many letters get published. I'd suggest that a balanced, well-thought out and factual letter would get more consideration than an out and out rant.
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James_Symington
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I am thoroughly mystified by this thread.
Every camera I own displays vignetting on certain lenses when shot wide-open. That vignetting disappears on stopping down. This applies to my 1Ds II and 5D when used with the 24-105 and 24mm & 35mm Ls and others, my Hasselblads with the 40mm & 50mm lenses, Leicas with the 35mm Summicron ASPH and the Noctilux and a panoply of other film cameras I can't be bothered to list.
Why does this everyday phenomenon create such a commotion with the 5D? The symptoms described seem to be consistent with the way you would expect it to behave. Genuinely please someone explain to me what it is I am missing. If the vignetting didn't disappear on stopping down then we would have something juicy to talk about surely?
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Les_McLean
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I am thoroughly mystified by this thread.
Every camera I own displays vignetting on certain lenses when shot wide-open. That vignetting disappears on stopping down. This applies to my 1Ds II and 5D when used with the 24-105 and 24mm & 35mm Ls and others, my Hasselblads with the 40mm & 50mm lenses, Leicas with the 35mm Summicron ASPH and the Noctilux and a panoply of other film cameras I can't be bothered to list.
Why does this everyday phenomenon create such a commotion with the 5D? The symptoms described seem to be consistent with the way you would expect it to behave. Genuinely please someone explain to me what it is I am missing. If the vignetting didn't disappear on stopping down then we would have something juicy to talk about surely?
Yes, I agree to a degree, vignetting is expected when wide open with some lenses, it's the amount of vignetting that's the problem.
Also, one would expect it to disappear at f8, but the tests on the 5D suggest it doesn't (on some lenses).
Perhaps if you read through the thread again?
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merton
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Hello
I am new to the forum and hoping to learn plenty.
I have been reading the various reviews of the Canon 5D and like many I was very impressed. I was about to purchase one, and then i read the comments on this site and became worried, no very worried!
Could someone help me in understanding the diffence between the various on line and magazine reviews and the thoughts and pictures i have seen on this site? I am very perplexed.
Is the 5D worth the money or should i save even harder for the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II. My use is mainly travel photography (worldwide) and candid portraits, again overseas and outdoors.
Or maybe the 30 with L lenses?
Can one of you experts help? I am sure you can...
thanks
peter
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radim
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Hi Peter,
it's very hard to find truth and as it seems the right 5d body. I think announcement of 5d created major shift of interest in DSLR.
Selection of camera above all depends on your budget. Canon 30D and 5D are very good cameras for different needs. 30D is really grown APS-C DSLR that could offer you speed, durability and good rate between price and value. On other side 5d as a first widely affordable full frame DSLR promised to bring new wind into DSLR market.
Problem is that it's more based on 30D than od 1Ds Mark II. I've personally tried few bodies that suffer from dust problem in viewfinder (pretty anoying), and also there's a vignetting problem with zoom lenses. But I know about 2 guys using 5d without any of these issues. It's hard to tell. But to spend almost 2 grands for body that might be affected is not worth for me.
From my point of view it's good to buy 30D and wait for 5D upgrade. Let's hope Canon will bring soon (I hope next year) valuable upgrade. But again you have to buy non EF-S lenses as EF-S lenses are not compatible with full frame bodies (and of course 1.6 crop with 30D)
1Ds Mark II is a bit different league. As a truly professional body it will offer you maximum, but for appropriate price.
Hope this will help a bit.
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merton
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Radim
well i have some time to think about it, so i may just carry on with my old stuff for a while - i travel to Brazil then Kenya later this year beginning of next. i want to make sure i do not waste my money on a Camera that is jsut not up to my old 35mm film. I get OK results with my 300D. Maybe i will plod on for a while...
I am off to New York next month (yes i am afraid i do travel a bit) that is why i am considering the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II as it is much cheaper in US (i think)
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James_Symington
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Thank you very much Les.
On my 5D the vignetting always disappears at f8 on the 24-105mm and considerably wider with my faster lenses. The 24-105mm behaves identically on my 1Ds II too so I am still none the wiser though. I just have a tough time believing there is something wrong with the camera - the lens quite possibly - but the camera no.
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BigWill
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I'm sorry James but I have a tough time believing that you don't have a problem with a camera that displays vignetting at any aperture wider than f8 on your 24-105! That certainly wouldn't be acceptable to me or indeed the vast majority of the camera using public. Don't you ever use fast lenses or wide apertures for shallow depth of field or is shallow depth of field simply not an option with a 5D? I'm frankly amazed at anyone who is prepared to accept such limitations as the norm and doubly amazed that anyone would even consider accepting this on a camera at this price point!
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Les_McLean
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Thank you very much Les.
On my 5D the vignetting always disappears at f8 on the 24-105mm and considerably wider with my faster lenses. The 24-105mm behaves identically on my 1Ds II too so I am still none the wiser though. I just have a tough time believing there is something wrong with the camera - the lens quite possibly - but the camera no.
Hi James.
I think the difficulties arose because of the variance we are seeing.
For example, I had a good 24-105mm F4, which I used on my 1Ds MKII, and it performed well, minor vignetting at f4. I sent it back to canon under their re-call, the new copy they sent me vignetted quite badly at f4 and at f8, so I sent it back, the next copy wasn't perfect, but I could live with it.
My cameras in for servicing at the moment, but when it comes back, I'll do some sample images on a range of lenses to compare with a 5D.
I very rarely shoot wide open (unlike David et al), as I mainly concentrate on landscapes, so it's not such a big issue for me.
Les
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Les_McLean
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Hello
I am new to the forum and hoping to learn plenty.
I have been reading the various reviews of the Canon 5D and like many I was very impressed. I was about to purchase one, and then i read the comments on this site and became worried, no very worried!
Could someone help me in understanding the diffence between the various on line and magazine reviews and the thoughts and pictures i have seen on this site? I am very perplexed.
Is the 5D worth the money or should i save even harder for the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II. My use is mainly travel photography (worldwide) and candid portraits, again overseas and outdoors.
Or maybe the 30 with L lenses?
Can one of you experts help? I am sure you can...
thanks
peter
Hi Peter
The 5D is a fine camera, and some of the results I've seen are pretty amazing.
I think there is an issue with the 5D and some wide lenses, particularly vignettibg wide open.
Unless you are shooting very wide, at f4 etc, it shouldn't be a major problem.
But those that do (wedding photographers for example), it's a real issue
Concerning the 1Ds MKII, I use one, and it's a dream of a machine, built like a brick outhouse, although it's a beast to carry round, I normally carry mine in a toploader zoom when out walking.
It's likely there will be a replacement out for the 1DS MKII this autumn, so it's possibly worth waiting either for the new model, or the reduced price of the current model.
Cheers
Les
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Concentrate on equipment and you'll take technically good photographs. Concentrate on seeing the light's magic colours and your images will stir the soul. - Jack Dykinga
Edited by Les_McLean (07/06/2006 22:58)
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merton
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Hi Les
thanks for the info
if i was to shoot wide open on a 85mm lens do you know if i would notice any vignetting? and what about a little 50mm lens?
i must admit to be little non plussed by a camera costing £1600 with these limitations at open f settings.
Is there any vignetting on your 1Ds? I prefer not to use flash and at times need to shoot in low light.
May i say how much i enjoy the postscript on all of your messages by Jack Dykinga - it makes me smile every time!
peter
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Benchista
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Will, why are you telling everybody how to think about a camera you don't own and to the best of my knowledge haven't even used? Let those who have it make up their own minds and share their experiences, I say.
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