| cloenna |
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| 25/07/2008 18:30 |
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Hey
Im a amatuer female model looking for a photographer willing to make me a portfollio in exchange for my pictures as example work for their portfollio (laugh out loud) bit of a mouthful there...
If anyone can help me in any way even with advice please get in touch
| Scphoto |
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| 25/07/2008 18:38 |
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You might have more luck here
Plenty of togs listed that offer time for prints.
(Also as you don't mention where you are that might be a problem!)
| bench_ubbster |
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| 25/07/2008 19:07 |
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^WHS^
Also Web models and Model Mayhem
I'm a member of the latter and do Time for electronic files and prints at cost.
| Bettina |
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| 25/07/2008 19:19 |
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Now, slowly repeat after me: portfolio!
Also, you might be an 86-year-old toothless hag and it may not be worth our while. Where's that picture of you to whet our appetite?!
| cloenna |
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| 25/07/2008 19:27 |
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Im near oxford
| cloenna |
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| 25/07/2008 19:29 |
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im actually a teenage bottle blonde blue eyed beauty how do i put a pici up?
| Steve52 |
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| 25/07/2008 20:09 |
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how do i put a pici up?
Read this
| designboy |
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| 25/07/2008 22:43 |
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I guess you ask this from everyone you meet that has a camera! To be honest I'd find an agency and go through them, as doing it 'your way' is not the best way to enter into working as a model. Its 95% about your agency and 5% about your looks. I work full time in a design company in Belfast and we only hire that way - but we have photograhers do it for us, till now
Im sure a lot of blokes here will be more than happy to see you, but to save you time - skip it.
| frank1 |
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| 26/07/2008 00:02 |
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im actually a teenage bottle blonde blue eyed beauty how do i put a pici up?
Go for modelmayhem.com
it doesn't cost anything and there's some excellent photgos on there. Just remember one shoot does not a portfolio make, also if your lucky you may even find an mua that's prepared to do tfp also
| deddard |
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| 26/07/2008 08:24 |
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An agency will give you some important advantages:
Safety - advertising yourself online is not the safest thing to do. Whilst the majority of us are ok, there are some weirdos out there.
I've come across lots of girls who wanted to be models, and have ended up paying for hundreds for their portfolios (something that shouldn't happen)and often when they get to the shoot they're asked to do nude (read 'glamour') straight away "go -on, take your top off, you can get more work if people know what yoru body looks like"
Honesty. Whilst there are some stunning girls out there, it doesn't mean that they are model material. The prettiest girl in the world may not be as photogenic as the ugliest critter from the black lagoon - sometimes it just works that way.
The agencies will be able to tell you what your chances are and will be able to give you tips on how to present yourself (just ignore anything about going super-slim, no-one but zombies actually likes it!)
Security: You'll get paid for the work you do. Sure, the agency takes a cut, but they will be able to negotiate better fees, more work and demand payment.
Just go for a reputable agency. I know some girls don't want to go this way for many reasons, but it is the best option
| designboy |
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| 26/07/2008 16:07 |
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what he said, just I said it faster
I'm sure a lot of blokes here will be happy to shhot you. But to make any real money at it do it the right way. I hope this helped, you really have to just be good at it, as deddard says you do not need to be a stunner, in fact my mum would be a good model - but thats cause she is weird and a natural performer!
| frank1 |
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| 27/07/2008 04:06 |
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In order to get on the agencies books the model will need some quality photos. Most likely the agency will offer to provide the photographer at considerable cost. A good agency will be happy with a model having her own pics and this is where the tfp photographer comes in. All the models I've shot are wanting to get on a good agencies books. Finding a good one is a lot harder than finding the photographer. Also most of the photogs on the likes of modelmayhem and other proper sites are ok people they've got reputations to keep. So for any model wanting to start, don't pay any silly money you don't need to spend any at all. Lay out your limits on what type of modeling you want to do and if you get any problems just walk and report the incident to the sites admin. The most important thing to remember is it's tough out there and turn up to every shoot.
| bench_ubbster |
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| 27/07/2008 09:10 |
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Now, slowly repeat after me: portfolio!
Also, you might be an 86-year-old toothless hag and it may not be worth our while. Where's that picture of you to whet our appetite?!
Now, now. That's being ageist
You can get nice character shots if this is the case. Also, a bad workman always blames his/her tools. Lets face it, some pro-models are certainly tools
| cloenna |
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| 28/07/2008 17:29 |
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I know that usually agencys can acept models without portfolios, but someone can look completely diffrent in person to how they act behind a camera.
I want to build a large portfolio of many diffrent styles- headshots, bodyshots, prom style dresses, alternitive clothes and makeup, casual styles, props and outdoor shoots; so that the agencys i apply for can see i can do anything and everything...
Please keep the advice coming, i love a good debate lol....
Oh and as i am only 17 does anybody know if there are any legal documents i can apply for confirming my guardians permission?????
Chloe
| stenchbings |
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| 28/07/2008 18:12 |
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you will need to sign a model release form and most standard ones say that if the person is under 18 you will need parents consent. might not be a bad idea to get ur guardian to go with you on shoots. gotta be safe.
| PhilW |
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| 28/07/2008 23:08 |
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you will need to sign a model release form
Not usally for Tests, but as you are under 18 I, for one, would insist that you had a parent present
| Bettina |
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| 29/07/2008 13:10 |
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I know that usually agencys can acept models without portfolios, but someone can look completely diffrent in person to how they act behind a camera.
| cloenna |
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| 29/07/2008 17:04 |
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look bettina have u really got nothing better to do but sit there and critise everything i write...
everybody makes mistakes and as it happens i was tired as iv been putting so much work into looking for the right photographer....so get off your high horse and leave ur comments on someone elses post
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| 29/07/2008 20:19 |
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look bettina have u really got nothing better to do but sit there and critise everything i write...
everybody makes mistakes and as it happens i was tired as iv been putting so much work into looking for the right photographer....so get off your high horse and leave ur comments on someone elses post
Chillax!
| cloenna |
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| 01/08/2008 19:18 |
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im sorry but i dont see why i should have to tolerate her been rude to me all the time
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| 01/08/2008 20:13 |
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That's not 'rude', you should try posting in The Lounge!
Oh, incidentally, if you can't tolerate rude might I suggest, for your emotional wellbeing, you stay clear of the modelling industry.
| pachinkofan |
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| 02/08/2008 21:44 |
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That's not 'rude', you should try posting in The Lounge!
She has, how about a "link to the original post"?
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| cloenna |
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| 04/08/2008 14:07 |
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i no full well the modelling industy is about contrustive critisism, and sometimes you have to be harsh to be kind
...however it is not about someone picking out typing errors...everybody knows full well what i ment, and critising my mistakes is just petty... i think alot of people would feel the same if they had someone on their posts critising there every typing mistake!
| cloenna |
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| 04/08/2008 14:16 |
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oh and if anybody would like to check out my pictures, i have a few on my website, i do apologise they are all taken by me and are not very good but it gives u a vague idea of what i look like, they were all taken a little while back and i have lost quite a bit of weight since then...but im certainly not an 86 yr old toothless hag...
www.freewebs.com/portfoliopictures
| Fen |
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| 04/08/2008 14:19 |
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Perhaps... just perhaps... She was trying to help you.
Making a post full of mistakes and bad grammar might be an indication of how you would normally go about writing emails/letters to potential clients/agencies/photographers about work.
That would give a bad probably false, impression of you and not something you'd want.
You came here asking for a photographer to help you and in the first post you had several spelling mistakes, including amatuer (amateur) and portfollio (portfolio). That could give the impression that you don't really care if you don't bother to correctly spell the word of the thing you're actually after!
As with all things, in business as well as in personal life... A good first impression counts.
| NorthernNikon |
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| 04/08/2008 14:32 |
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As with all things, in business as well as in personal life... A good first impression counts.
You never get a second chance to make a first impression ...
... except with alzheimer's
| cloenna |
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| 04/08/2008 16:21 |
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I know a first impression always sticks, and i should be a little more careful but i am dyslexic and am spending so much time and effort into starting my modelling career off i am knackered. Usually i would go over all the words on a spell check to make sure i havent made any mistakes, but i havent had the time to faff about with that...
Anyway i thought most photographers are ment to be quite laid back or is that me being slightly prejudice?
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| 04/08/2008 17:41 |
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Anyway i thought most photographers are ment to be quite laid back or is that me being slightly prejudice?
No, I'd wager that's a misconception on the part of whoever you got the idea from. I can't really see the likes of Mario Testino (or David Bailey, in his day) getting to their level in the industry by being 'laid back'.
To my mind, if you want the best you have to present your best, and the advice that's been on offer here (whether you like it or not) is in your best innerests and, in the main, sound advice for any work endeavour, not just the model industry - which is, as you know, extremely competitive and riddled with cowboys (who are, generally, laid back).
Anyhoo, I'm inclined to agree with Fen with regards to 'getting it right'. Professionals don't make excuses (no matter how valid) they just get it right.
Dyslexia, or not, when one is trying to make the right (first, second, (if you're lucky) third...) impression you need to make time to 'faff about' with that if you're serious about what you're trying to do (even at this level) - I suspect a poorly written & constructed covering letter to an agency would join the other 99.9% of all such letters in the bin, there are no 'valid excuses', rightly or wrongly you will be judged on that initial contact, and you have to make an impact, the right impact (and that may well be before they even see what you look like).
You may think we're being harsh, but as I said, this is nothing compared to the real world. Just sayin'.
| GeoffR |
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I know a first impression always sticks, and i should be a little more careful but i am dyslexic and am spending so much time and effort into starting my modelling career off i am knackered. Usually i would go over all the words on a spell check to make sure i havent made any mistakes, but i havent had the time to faff about with that...
Anyway i thought most photographers are ment to be quite laid back or is that me being slightly prejudice?
OK, I wish you every success in your chosen career but I am not in a position to help with photographs.
I can however help with the spell check. If you download Firefox it has the ability to spell check your posts. You simply need to download the appropriate, British English, dictionary.
Most people on here are trying to be constructive, it may not seem that way but I suggest most of us want you to succeed so please just stick with it and we will do what we can. Don't be put off by the comments, take them the way they are meant, as encouragement to sell yourself in the best way you can.
| zx9 |
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| 04/08/2008 19:44 |
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I can however help with the spell check. If you download Firefox it has the ability to spell check your posts. You simply need to download the appropriate, British English, dictionary.
Or just have 'Word' or other WP running in a separate window and CRTL C, CTRL V into it for a spell checker. I do.
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I can however help with the spell check. If you download Firefox it has the ability to spell check your posts. You simply need to download the appropriate, British English, dictionary.
Or just have 'Word' or other WP running in a separate window and CRTL C, CTRL V into it for a spell checker. I do.
Rather more cumbersome than Firefox though and does rather depend on your wanting to use it. Mine is full time.
| john_g |
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| 04/08/2008 20:57 |
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If you're using Internet Explorer, Google for 'iespell' - free and good.
| ham888 |
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| 04/08/2008 20:57 |
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Come on chaps, give the girl a break, shes not applying for a place here reading English at Cambridge, she just wants a little help.
Chloe, you should have a PM, and NO I havn't offered to take some pics of her!
Good luck.
| frank1 |
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| 05/08/2008 00:59 |
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Come on chaps, give the girl a break, shes not applying for a place here reading English at Cambridge, she just wants a little help.
Chloe, you should have a PM, and NO I havn't offered to take some pics of her!
Good luck.
Here here and I'll say it but Bettina was absolutely rude no question about it.
| bench_ubbster |
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| 05/08/2008 09:47 |
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I know that usually agencys can acept models without portfolios, but someone can look completely diffrent in person to how they act behind a camera.
I want to build a large portfolio of many diffrent styles- headshots, bodyshots, prom style dresses, alternitive clothes and makeup, casual styles, props and outdoor shoots; so that the agencys i apply for can see i can do anything and everything...
Please keep the advice coming, i love a good debate lol....
Oh and as i am only 17 does anybody know if there are any legal documents i can apply for confirming my guardians permission?????
Chloe
This website looks useful particularly this advice
| cloenna |
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| 05/08/2008 13:34 |
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I know this is probably not something to voice to you, because you will no doubt tear apart my every word but here it goes....
Photography is about art and appreciating the beauty of the planet we live on....surely if you are not slightly laid back you loose the meaning of photography and make it loose its spark? (not only that but you make the model feel exremely uncomfortable not allowing him/her to work to their best standards)
Mario Testino and David Bailey got to where they were by yes, working extremely hard, but they also had to take a large step back and look at the world not through the poisoned eyes of money and greed but through those of a mind of clairty....
If more photographers remembered why they came into the industry they would maybe produce better photos, with more meaning and soul....
I agree a poorly written cover letter to an agency wouldnt get me very far, but i was mearly writing a post on forum lol not really a biggy is it...
Everyone has being extremly helpful and i can handle constructive critisim but bettina wasnt being helpful at all. She just sat there critising my grammer, i didnt come here to be marked on my grammer, i came here to gain some knoledge and advice on photographers....
| cloenna |
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| 05/08/2008 13:44 |
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thanks a very helpful site
| NorthernNikon |
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| 05/08/2008 13:50 |
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Photography is about art and appreciating the beauty of the plant we live on....
Now, if there ever was an example of why it is important to spend the time and proof you writing if you ever want to be taken seriously I think this is it. Classic.
| cloenna |
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| 05/08/2008 13:59 |
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Photography is about art and appreciating the beauty of the plant we live on....
Now, if there ever was an example of why it is important to spend the time and proof you writing if you ever want to be taken seriously I think this is it. Classic.
your wording is not very good either and now you made yourself look like the idiot...
Any good photographer knows photography is about art and the beauty of the world and certainly not about stuck up know it alls correcting my english...just get a life and stop critising my typing errors....
| NorthernNikon |
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| 05/08/2008 14:17 |
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your wording is not very good either and now you made yourself look like the idiot...
I made myself look like an idiot a long long time ago, but it's never stopped me since.
| datawise |
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| 05/08/2008 14:24 |
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cloenna, unfortunately you haven't spent enough time listening before speaking. The majority of posters to these forums are helpful and courteous (bettina included), but they also have a great sense of humour, which comes out even in serious posts. I don't believe anyone is laughing at you, but we are all amused by typos that have an unfortunate alternative meaning.
You have jumped in to a forum full of friends who understand each other (and their sense of humour). Given the advice that you are asking for, and receiving, a little bit of courtesy on your part would be much appreciated and would encourage a return to the topic that you originally posted.
With kind regards (and fully spell checked
),Peter
| cloenna |
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| 05/08/2008 15:02 |
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I am always all ears, but sometimes speak before i think (especially in a rush) but still i am courteous and never rude, and i would never make someone feel unwelcome or pushed out when they ask for help, why is exactly what bettina did...
You might be slightly amused by my typos, but it is completley unnessisary to keep mentioning them, its complely uncalled for and i refuse to be belittled by anyone when i do not deserve it...
and as you can see now, we have completely drifted from my orignial choice of topic....
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I'm sorry, I thought you'd come here in the hope of forming a mutually beneficial and career advancing relationship with a photography. My mistake.
| cloenna |
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| 05/08/2008 15:31 |
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I come here just for a little advice was hoping to find a photographer to help me build a portfolio, so then i can advance in the modelling industry....
I dont understand why you all have to be so critical see the address at the top amateurphotographer this means are or have been amateurs at some point, i think you would be a little defensive if someone was contantly laughing at every mistake you made
| frank1 |
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| 05/08/2008 16:02 |
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Are we going to carry on making a dyslexic person suffer for her condition, or are we going to accept it and be more tolerant as we should. Admit Bettina was being rude and if she was offering help then why be so sarcastic. This site does have a tendency to take people down and at times some of these people deserve it but Cloenna doesn't. She asked for some advice and to a greater degree got good advice. After Bettina's second post I hoped Cloenna would let it pass but why should rudeness be acceptable. So Cloenna if your still prepared to patronized have the p taken out of you. Then your a better person than me and I hope you stay with us.
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Actually, we don't 'all have to be so critical', there is some sound advice above... The rest is banter, leg-pulling, if you read more of the forum you'll realise it's a characteristic of the membership who (generally) refuse to take themselves too seriously - although many do take their photography very seriously.
(Incidentally, with regards the address 'amateur' also means; a person who admires something; devotee; fan. (French, from Latin amator, lover, from amare, to love, and perhaps more in mind when the magazine was founded in 1884 (some of the original readers are still with us, I think)) It is not indicative of a lack of professionalism or skill on the part of the membership here.
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| Benchista |
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I think it's time to stop arguing the rights and wrongs of who was rude and who wasn't and move on and - there's no benefit to anyone from arguing the toss further.
The advice to always check ALL your public announcements with regard to your career is very good and useful, though.
| cloenna |
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| 05/08/2008 16:39 |
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ok i am obviously fighting a no win situation here...
changing the subject just slightly lol
does anyone know a photographer that has time for free photographs?
| NorthernNikon |
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| 05/08/2008 16:48 |
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Join Pure Storm or a site like it. There you'll find plenty photographers willing to do TFCD. Make sure you take a chaperone though. Good luck.
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Looking at your pictures, you are a very pretty girl. But remember that you are only 17 so you will need a chaperone/parent/guardian before most professional photographers will touch you, for both their protection and yours! I wish you lots of luck in your quest, and why not try some of the websites the other members have mentioned? If you are still looking at the start of college you could always volunteer to model for a college class? If I lived in Oxford I would consider helping, but not without a parent or guardian in attendance to sign the model release. Good Luck!
P.s. the other alternative is to visit a photographers studio, though that will certainly not be TFP or TFCD etc. Take a great wodge of cash with you!
| NorthernNikon |
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Looking at your pictures, you are a very pretty girl. But remember that you are only 17 so you will need a chaperone/parent/guardian before most professional photographers will touch you
Not the best choice of words there Chris!
| cloenna |
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Looking at your pictures, you are a very pretty girl. But remember that you are only 17 so you will need a chaperone/parent/guardian before most professional photographers will touch you
Not the best choice of words there Chris!
haha now thats funny
| PhilW |
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I think it depends on the photogrpher really. I know two very good young female photographers (17 and 18) near me who would have no problems doing TFCD with a 17 year old model(in fact one of them shot my 17 year old son on that basis). But I wouldn't to TF* with a young girl, simply because I would get nothing from the shoot. I wouldn't want to have pics of a 17 year old girl in my portfolio becuae of the stigma that photographers get I wouldn't want people to think I was a perve. TFCD is supposed to be a collaboration for mutual benefit, and if I can't (or won't) use the pics I get nothing from it.
So when I have shot younger girls I charged for the shoot, and always insist on a parent being present.
So the advice give about joining a site is good advice, as there could easily be similar young photographers near you. I'd go gfo MM because Net Model makes these forums seem fast, and purestorm opens a new window every time you click on anything :-(
| ham888 |
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| 05/08/2008 17:43 |
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Great advice there.
Generally what I said in my PM to Chloe, I didn't post here at the time because of the way the thread was going.
I have to admit I did suggest she contacted you Phil directly, hope you didn't mind that? With hindsight should have checked with you first.
| ChrisBrookes |
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Looking at your pictures, you are a very pretty girl. But remember that you are only 17 so you will need a chaperone/parent/guardian before most professional photographers will touch you
Not the best choice of words there Chris!
LOL !!! I did consider that perhaps it could be misconstrued after I had posted it!!!