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Siuya
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(Cool Hand Chris)
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30/11/2007 23:46
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Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Please post your comments here for the December comp entries.
Thanks
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Zou
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(Pooh-Bah)
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01/12/2007 00:28
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Oh, it's December already. I hadn't noticed  (just back from work).
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Zou
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(Pooh-Bah)
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01/12/2007 10:07
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Rustyknight has beaten me to the lenscap on picture. 
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ian_g
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(enthusiast)
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01/12/2007 10:11
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Very amusing RustyKnight 
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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When I took the shot a couple of weeks ago, I thought I had a white semi- transparent lens cap that you could read the embossed makers name through when left on the lens....... but it was one off an old Panasonic video camera that's long since binned. Ah well.
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01/12/2007 11:33
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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So what do I do open the back of the camera or take photos of the neighbors with a 500mm lens?
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01/12/2007 22:38
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Do I get extra marks for getting arrested?
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Fen
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(BAD WOLF)
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01/12/2007 22:41
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Do I get extra marks for getting arrested?
Nope. They let you back out 
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(enthusiast)
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02/12/2007 13:06
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AJUK - Kids
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Had a bit of a shock when I first viewed that photo... the woman on the left looks the spit of my Mum when she was younger which then made me think whether I was the kid on the left...
All very disturbing... need a lie down.
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02/12/2007 15:49
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Re: AJUK - Kids
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How do you break the rules, when there are no rules.......... another tough month for me I fear....
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02/12/2007 17:21
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Re: AJUK - Kids
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I think I took that in a pub, about February 1968. 
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december
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Anyone with any pointers on this month, not entirely sure in what rules are to be broken.
Sounds odd, but I really was try something I haven't before, buying an ebay camera (cheapy cheap) plopping the timer on it, and throwing it off a bridge!!!
Then, as long as the memory card survived, see what I got lol.
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Fen
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(BAD WOLF)
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04/12/2007 09:50
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Re: december
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Probably the main one is The Rule Of Thirds
Then perhaps You Should Never Have An Out Of Focus Object In The Foreground
And Never Have An Even Number Of The Same Item In A Photo
And other such things...
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(Gorgeous oversensitive Nikon-loving cream puff)
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04/12/2007 09:56
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Re: december
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"Sounds odd, but I really was try something I haven't before, buying an ebay camera (cheapy cheap) plopping the timer on it, and throwing it off a bridge!!!
Then, as long as the memory card survived, see what I got lol."
Tie a bit of elastic onto it.......................that way you get an even more interesting effect as well as getting your camera back! 
BigWill
P.S. Just watch there isn't someone "punting" under the bridge first lest you hit them on the knapper with your camera!
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tincup
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(addict)
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04/12/2007 12:06
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Re: december
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Quote:
Probably the main one is The Rule Of Thirds
Then perhaps You Should Never Have An Out Of Focus Object In The Foreground
And Never Have An Even Number Of The Same Item In A Photo
And other such things...
That just about sums up everything I do anyway.
I took the breaking the rule description slightly differently.
I took a perfectly good photography, even if the horizon is dead center(that broke a rule), then added abrasions, lens distortion etc... Like I do with most of my pictures.
Anyway it’s nice to be back again. Hopefully I will stay around a bit longer this time. I look forward to winning this month
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Nobody seems to be breaking many rules... 
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fabs
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(Carpal \'Tunnel)
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04/12/2007 13:05
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Nobody seems to be breaking many rules...
I'm having difficulty coming up with anything that breaks the rules........coz I don't know the rules!
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(old hand)
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04/12/2007 14:04
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Re: Dec07 comments “Breaking the rules photographically”
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Quote:
Nobody seems to be breaking many rules...
Yup, it's a toughie. The judges will probably have the choice of images that such good use of their rule-breaking style that they don't seem 'odd' at all, or images that are just plain perverse for the fun of it!
I interpreted the challenge to be for an image that was improved by deliberate contravention of the rules/norms for the type of picture. In my case (landscape) I also chose, for a focus, something that would normally be cropped out, obscured by a handy tree or photoshopped away as an eyesore. By dropping the horizon to the bottom of the frame, excluding all depth information and clues about location and placing the focus in the middle, I count 5 rules at least a bit bent.
Perhaps I should have posted it upside down? 
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Siuya
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04/12/2007 14:38
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Help is at hand
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If your not sure how to break the rules, read on
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Re: Help is at hand
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Does 'breaking the rules' include posting excessively large photos?
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Siuya
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(Cool Hand Chris)
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04/12/2007 17:21
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
Does 'breaking the rules' include posting excessively large photos?
Good try
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04/12/2007 19:30
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
Quote:
Does 'breaking the rules' include posting excessively large photos?
Good try
How about if you post someone else's photo? 
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Siuya
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(Cool Hand Chris)
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04/12/2007 19:33
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
How about if you post someone else's photo?
I always thought you did
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04/12/2007 19:37
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
Quote:
How about if you post someone else's photo?
I always thought you did
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(Avocadopearaphobe)
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04/12/2007 21:17
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Re: Help is at hand
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Monobod
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('Phantom' of the forum!)
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05/12/2007 00:40
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Re: Help is at hand
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I broke the 'Don't have a lamp post or anything else in the middle of the frame, dividing the picture in half' rule
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tincup
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(addict)
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05/12/2007 10:53
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Re: Help is at hand
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Really, you should be ashamed of that picture. It’s horrible. It really does break the rules. Lots of rules.
1. Lamp post
2. Its wonkey
3. The bike belongs to the Operative society. Which it may do. But I think it’s a co-operative.
4. I can see you in the window.
5. All the stock in the shop is passed its sale by date.
6. AND it should be in black and white or a horrid sepia
But it’s engaging. It must be. I wrote a list.
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tincup
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(addict)
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05/12/2007 11:06
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Re: Help is at hand
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AND you should have been flat to the post so if you drew an imaginary line between you the lamp post and the shop front with the shop front creating the top of T with an even 50:50 spit left and right. AND the bottom of the lamp post shouldn’t be in the shot.
So much wrong with that photo. I think you should win it.
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Re: Help is at hand
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AND you didn't notice the mark of the dog which cocked its leg against the post recently.
Cheers MIKE
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mjc7uk
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(Am I banned yet?)
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05/12/2007 12:16
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Re: Help is at hand
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AND you didn't notice the mark of the dog which cocked its leg against the post recently.
Cheers MIKE
But why didn't that qualifies for Turner's Prize...
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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07/12/2007 17:17
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Re: Help is at hand
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How bad is this!
I can't trust that Gary and Mark will know which rule I have broken , I keep looking at images and thinking but will they get the broken rule and keep feeling I need to explain myself!!!
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Re: Help is at hand
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It's easy.
If we don't receive the usual cheque from Ian or yourself you've broke… hang on.
Garry…?
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ChuckD
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(newbie)
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07/12/2007 19:34
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
No title [Re: Siuya]
07/12/2007 04:05
Title required. Post it in the 'comments' thread - thanks moderator
Title: information overload OK, sorted
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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07/12/2007 19:44
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
It's easy.
If we don't receive the usual cheque from Ian or yourself you've broke… hang on.
Garry…?
lol damn hard this category, you'd think it would be simple, I reckon in your subconscious there are rules built in! But if you break the rules and the image works have you really broken any rules?!
oh poo just gonna post mine!
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
you'd think it would be simple, I reckon in your subconscious there are rules built in! But if you break the rules and the image works have you really broken any rules?!
Oh, Tanya, now you're getting into the realms of philosophy.
I well remember in the sixth form physics lesson having a discussion about pop and classical music. The master said words to the effect that classical music was better because it was appreciated by the few rather than the masses.
But I could write some music or paint a picture that no-one in the world would like, so I guess they must be brilliant. And that would make Jack Vittriano's paintings rubbish..................
Ah, I finally see what he meant.
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AGW
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08/12/2007 10:10
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Re: Help is at hand
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So....in this competition...and in this competition alone....can we post images 2000px long and 1GB in size?.....?
Annon
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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08/12/2007 10:30
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Re: Help is at hand
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Quote:
Quote:
you'd think it would be simple, I reckon in your subconscious there are rules built in! But if you break the rules and the image works have you really broken any rules?!
Oh, Tanya, now you're getting into the realms of philosophy.
I well remember in the sixth form physics lesson having a discussion about pop and classical music. The master said words to the effect that classical music was better because it was appreciated by the few rather than the masses.
But I could write some music or paint a picture that no-one in the world would like, so I guess they must be brilliant. And that would make Jack Vittriano's paintings rubbish..................
Ah, I finally see what he meant.
Also funny how some percieve what they like is somehow better than anythings else. I hate the term 'that's rubbish' you ask why and the response is 'because I don't like it'!
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Re: Help is at hand
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Some bloke once told me he didn't like monochrome 'because it doesn't exist', which is precisely why I like it I responded. Same with IR.
As for what's rubbish, I know what's rubbish, it's just RUBBISH innit?
And someone who copies Edward Hopper's style, applies it to figures pinched from a book of photographs, and sticks it all on a beach is, you guessed it, RUBBISH!
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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08/12/2007 13:43
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Re: Help is at hand
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lol well of course there really is rubbish, it's just not rubbish if it's not to your taste
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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08/12/2007 21:00
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Alan I like yer shot
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can't tell if she's coming or going and the look on her face almost says as much, it's clearly broken rules but imo works
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AJUK
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09/12/2007 21:53
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Re: Alan I like yer shot
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Not many rules broken, too many images with just PS filters applied to them IMAO, then again this is breaking the rules, surprised no one has posted a picture of a snapped ruler!!
AlanW I love you picture.
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Badgerman
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(Nocturnal Non-Scaredy Cat In A Deep Pit)
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10/12/2007 02:56
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Re: Alan I like yer shot
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Not many rules broken, too many images with just PS filters applied to them IMAO, then again this is breaking the rules.
Yep.
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spinno
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10/12/2007 08:22
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Re: You're having a giraffe
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mmmm nice bristles
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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10/12/2007 08:44
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Re: Alan I like yer shot
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Quote:
Not many rules broken, too many images with just PS filters applied to them IMAO, then again this is breaking the rules, surprised no one has posted a picture of a snapped ruler!!
AlanW I love you picture.
The brief
I was not sure about this one, but I kept being drawn to it. Basically, I don’t believe in rules anyway, although if you follow them it can help. For those who know the rules, break them, but still try to make the image engaging. For thos who don’t, just think ‘art-house’ — lets see what we get. the subject can be anything.
The only way you'll get the last para is to use filters
Just out of interest would you put mine in the class of 'using to many filters applied' if so I'd like to defend it
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Zou
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10/12/2007 08:48
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Fabs
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I really like Fabs' effort. Top three so far are Tarquin, Alan and Fabs for me.
Otherwise I agree with the comment that too much is being done in the presentation (editing), rather than in taking the photo.
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10/12/2007 09:06
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Re: Alan I like yer shot
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Quote:
Quote:
Not many rules broken, too many images with just PS filters applied to them IMAO, then again this is breaking the rules, surprised no one has posted a picture of a snapped ruler!!
AlanW I love you picture.
The brief
I was not sure about this one, but I kept being drawn to it. Basically, I don’t believe in rules anyway, although if you follow them it can help. For those who know the rules, break them, but still try to make the image engaging. For thos who don’t, just think ‘art-house’ — lets see what we get. the subject can be anything.
The only way you'll get the last para is to use filters
Just out of interest would you put mine in the class of 'using to many filters applied' if so I'd like to defend it
only thing I did was convert to mono - is that against the rules of against the rules
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fabs
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(Carpal \'Tunnel)
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10/12/2007 10:51
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Re: Fabs
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Thanks Zou
It's really interesting to see all the different interpretations this month. As I said earlier, it's hard to break the rules when you don't know what they are, or does that make it easier?
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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10/12/2007 19:10
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Nick
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I love your raffe
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Re: Nick
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Thanks! Can't think of many rules it doesn't break.
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Re: Nick
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Thanks! Can't think of many rules it doesn't break.
Au contraire!
Revenge! Revenge at last!!!
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Re: Nick
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Au contraire!
Pretentious, moi?
Thanks Zou. Bit I did get a chain in focus in the top left hand corner.
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Shoosh! I haven't had my vengeance… yet 
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Re: Nick
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You'll have to come up with another DellBoyism, Mark, but just don't try to impress by ordering a Beaujolais Nouveau 1988
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Re: Nick
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This is looking good so far , my only regret is that Pam/Bagpuss didn't post just before Nick/Bennnnnchhhhhhhhhhista*
*sorry, broken keyboard momennnnnttttttttt
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bagpuss
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13/12/2007 06:53
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This is looking good so far , my only regret is that Pam/Bagpuss didn't post just before Nick/Bennnnnchhhhhhhhhhista*
*sorry, broken keyboard momennnnnttttttttt
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AJUK
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13/12/2007 11:40
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13/12/2007 12:45
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Nice work!
Do you mean my entry? If so - thank you! 
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13/12/2007 13:08
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Do you mean my entry?
Oooh errr!!!
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Fen
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(BAD WOLF)
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13/12/2007 13:10
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Do you mean my entry?
Oooh errr!!!
*keyboard moment*
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lol, ooohhh dear....
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bagpuss
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13/12/2007 17:04
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Do you mean my entry?
Oooh errr!!!
Have you been at the Timothy Taylor again?
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Hotblack
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(Dead Horse Flogger)
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13/12/2007 18:26
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Do you mean my entry?
Oooh errr!!!
Have you been at the Timothy Taylor again?
Nope. But it was bookclub t'other night so topped up on West Berkshire Brewery's Maggs Magnificent Mild. I might sober up sometime in mid-January at this rate.
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Monobod
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('Phantom' of the forum!)
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13/12/2007 21:25
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Re: Help is at hand
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Thanks for pointing it all out to me TinCup. I have sold my camera and taken up trainspotting!
I showed this one to the club, when we had a 'wot is wrong with my picture' discussion evening. No one came up with as many as you. Would you like a job as a judge? Perhaps yu already are one!
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13/12/2007 22:32
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Re: Help is at hand
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I shot this in the rain on Sunday (on film) and am curious what you lot think, and if there is a consensus.
Is this breaking the rules? Is it abstract? Neither? Both?
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ian_g
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(enthusiast)
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14/12/2007 11:08
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Re: Help is at hand
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I wouldn't say that that is breaking the rules.
My interpretation is that it has to include at least one (if not all) of the following...
A head chopped off.
The bottom of someone's legs chopped off.
Something slap bang in the centre of the frame.
Something shot directly into the sun.
Camera shake or the main subject being out-of-focus, whilst the rest is IN focus.
A shot having too many elements (preferably an even number).
Burnt out highlights or shadows with no detail.
Possibly the image having a cast (magenta or cyan being favourable).
The horizon being distinctly wonky.
If you can do ALL of these in one shot, Bob's your uncle!
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A head chopped off.
The bottom of someone's legs chopped off.
Something slap bang in the centre of the frame.
Something shot directly into the sun.
Camera shake or the main subject being out-of-focus, whilst the rest is IN focus.
A shot having too many elements (preferably an even number).
Burnt out highlights or shadows with no detail.
Possibly the image having a cast (magenta or cyan being favourable).
The horizon being distinctly wonky.
Sounds a bit like those national portrait awards winners, Ian.
Except I think you are supposed to have a radiator in there somewhere as well.
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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14/12/2007 16:10
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Pam
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that is one rule breaking cool shot, Alans'& Nicks were top o my list but think you've just toppled them
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14/12/2007 17:08
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that is one rule breaking cool shot, Alans'& Nicks were top o my list but think you've just toppled them
Really? Tanya, gosh I am genuinely blushing here. I really admire your work, so that is a huge compliment - thank you!
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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14/12/2007 18:18
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Re: Pam
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aw now you've made me blush Pam! Thank you that's a really lovely compliment & likewise re the photography, you have a great stock of photographs!
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14/12/2007 19:38
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Re: Pam
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I'm blushing too... stop it, you two!
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As I told that other lot:
Get a room!
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14/12/2007 21:31
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Re: Pam
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There's only one way to sort out who's the blushiest babe ...
Fight!
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bagpuss
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14/12/2007 23:23
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There's only one way to sort out who's the blushiest babe ...
Fight!
LOL!
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15/12/2007 09:49
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Great image of Loch Garten. Love it.
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Seven..
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(...or maybe Eight)
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15/12/2007 10:57
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There's only one way to sort out who's the blushiest babe ...
Fight!
TUT
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15/12/2007 17:44
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Great image of Loch Garten. Love it.
Thanks - the ripple in the middle of the loch was from an Osprey catching a huge salmon...........or maybe it was just a duck. It was one of the two anyway.
K
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16/12/2007 00:09
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Nice one Andrew
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16/12/2007 00:45
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Yes, if that is breaking the rules, then lets have more of it. Lovely blue eyes.
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Cheers guys It's a lot of flash with not much photoshopping (was thinking white with overexposed spider and web against black underexposed background but something better came along )
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17/12/2007 18:19
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Fen - that's brilliant, great idea
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Fen - that's brilliant, great idea
yes it is, very clever
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19/12/2007 08:22
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I like the two old school entries. Good to see some more film users.
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19/12/2007 10:53
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aren't all film users dead by now?
Some techno spaz on TV last night referred to film as being analog as opposed to digital. I'm guessing film cameras have valves and a little monkey pulling the curtain strings
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19/12/2007 11:00
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Some techno spaz on TV last night referred to film as being analog as opposed to digital.
A couple of other forums I frequent use that phrase as well. Completely baffled me when I first heard it as I didn't know that was what they were meaning!
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I'm guessing film cameras have valves and a little monkey pulling the curtain strings
Do they make monkeys that small?
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19/12/2007 11:07
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Surely digital camera sensors are analogue too, even though the signals get converted to digital? If someone always scans their film negatives, does that mean they can call their camera 'digital'?
At the end of the day it's surely about producing interesting and stimulating images? At my camera club I don't think anyone can consistently tell good quality traditional film images from digital ones. Can you?
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19/12/2007 11:20
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Re: Fens idea.
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Surely digital camera sensors are analogue too, even though the signals get converted to digital? If someone always scans their film negatives, does that mean they can call their camera 'digital'?
electro chemical I think would be a more accurate description then analogue.
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19/12/2007 11:23
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Re: Fens idea.
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Some techno spaz on TV last night referred to film as being analog as opposed to digital.
A couple of other forums I frequent use that phrase as well. Completely baffled me when I first heard it as I didn't know that was what they were meaning!
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I'm guessing film cameras have valves and a little monkey pulling the curtain strings
Do they make monkeys that small?
how else would you do it? you cant train ants
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19/12/2007 11:47
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Re: Fens idea.
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Some techno spaz on TV last night referred to film as being analog as opposed to digital.
A couple of other forums I frequent use that phrase as well. Completely baffled me when I first heard it as I didn't know that was what they were meaning!
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I'm guessing film cameras have valves and a little monkey pulling the curtain strings
Do they make monkeys that small?
how else would you do it? you cant train ants
They're little imps....aren't they?
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19/12/2007 13:14
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Re: Fens idea.
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Some techno spaz on TV last night referred to film as being analog as opposed to digital.
A couple of other forums I frequent use that phrase as well. Completely baffled me when I first heard it as I didn't know that was what they were meaning!
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I'm guessing film cameras have valves and a little monkey pulling the curtain strings
Do they make monkeys that small?
how else would you do it? you cant train ants
You could squeeze one of these in... maybe if you had a grip.
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If someone always scans their film negatives, does that mean they can call their camera 'digital'?
Not sure about that John, but I suppose it makes a scanner into an analog to digital converter ????
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19/12/2007 17:18
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Not sure about that John, but I suppose it makes a scanner into an analog to digital converter ????
Yep!
The easiest way to tell film from digital prints is to askk the photographer!
The other give away often is oversharpening halos all over the place (Digital of course).
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19/12/2007 21:38
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Some techno spaz on TV last night referred to film as being analog as opposed to digital.
A couple of other forums I frequent use that phrase as well. Completely baffled me when I first heard it as I didn't know that was what they were meaning!
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I'm guessing film cameras have valves and a little monkey pulling the curtain strings
Do they make monkeys that small?
how else would you do it? you cant train ants
They're little imps....aren't they?
Thank you Mr. Pratchett.
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Hotblack
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19/12/2007 21:52
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19/12/2007 22:14
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Yes I do like the bit where the imps 'run out of pink' in the harem?.
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22/12/2007 21:09
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Re: Help is at hand
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Surley not breaking the rules is breaking the rules?
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fiona
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23/12/2007 22:09
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