Bone_Idle
Mr Maybe
Reged: 28/07/2006
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No posts for a while. 
Anyway, I've ordered the 70-300mm from Campkins cameras, a good price, but out of stock at the moment, so a little frustration as I won't have it for my camping trip to Robinhoods bay next week!
No problem though, and the wait is worth the saving! It was £249.99 + £2 postage, so can't complain as it' full UK stock too!
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Nick
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El Sid
Going potty
Reged: 14/04/2003
Posts: 9477
Loc: Sussex-by-the-Sea
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I swear I just saw a tumbleweed passing............
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Nigel
Completely BSRIPN 
ElSid Gallery
A camera in the hand is more fun than one in the cupboard........
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Bone_Idle
Mr Maybe
Reged: 28/07/2006
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Loc: Bradford
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Whoooossshhhh.......
Must all be out taking photos, rather than comparing the size of their appendages (lenses!!!)
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Nick
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Repton
Mr Test Shot
Reged: 05/07/2005
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and the wind of boredom gently whistled round........... 
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LordMinty
journeyman
Reged: 04/01/2007
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My excuse is that I've just been busy, well that's part of it anyway.
To be honest I've just got totally fed up with the fanboys of other brands coming in here and causing unwanted friction. I've got so fed up in fact that I've not bothered to buy a copy of AP since, and I suspect I might not again, so I hope the AP magazine/forum staff are pleased with themselves.
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Iloca
Unregistered at user's request
Reged: 06/12/2005
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Ditto.
To be fair some of the Forum staff (Nick/Huw/Fen) did deal with Trolls if they were made aware of them.
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El Sid
Going potty
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My excuse is that I've just been busy, well that's part of it anyway.
To be honest I've just got totally fed up with the fanboys of other brands coming in here and causing unwanted friction. I've got so fed up in fact that I've not bothered to buy a copy of AP since, and I suspect I might not again, so I hope the AP magazine/forum staff are pleased with themselves.
A case of the kettle calling the pot black?...
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Nigel
Completely BSRIPN
ElSid Gallery
A camera in the hand is more fun than one in the cupboard........
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Iloca
Unregistered at user's request
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Loc: Northern Ireland
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A case of the kettle calling the pot black?...
How so?
as far as the various brand sections of the forum are concerned apart from one post in the Canon section all his posts are in the Olympus section.
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Mi Vid Iloca
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Repton
Mr Test Shot
Reged: 05/07/2005
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OK - it's GCSE communications time:
Question 1. Should ALL brand forums on the AP site be scrapped as irrelevant? Give at least three reasons for your answer.
Question 2. On any branded forum - should those 'maintaining' it be, if not actively partisan to the brand, at least not frequently and consistently dismissive of both the brand and its supporters? Discuss.
You may turn over your papers now 
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Photocracy
The Great Pretender
Reged: 18/11/2006
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Loc: Sunny South Coast
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It's marketing that causes most of the problematic sentiment which people get caught up in. It is, after all, a highly competitive market and manufacturer's sell on a "this is better than that" basis. If we each didn't believe that about our chosen brand, we wouldn't be buying the cameras we do. For some people, this kind of brainwashing spills over into an all consuming mission of destruction against anything perceieved as a slur or competition against their chosen brand/tribe. It is tribalism at its worst and the relative anonymity of the internet makes it worse. Put a load of different brand owners in a real room, and the brand rivalry will climb no higher than playful banter. Put the same people in an internet forum, and they can end up wanting to kill each other! Perhaps we can call it net-rage. To prove my point that marketing is responsible, if you take it out of the equation, the rage vanishes. Try classic/vintage camera brand forums where people are discussing cameras long abandoned by competing manufacturers, and you will generally find pleasant people all getting along fine and happy to help one another.
Marketing is designed to conjur up selfish feelings, irrespective of the fallout. As anyone in the business will tell you, "You" is the most important word in advertising.
Sorry examiner, I wandered off the questions a bit there.
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El Sid
Going potty
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A case of the kettle calling the pot black?...
How so?
as far as the various brand sections of the forum are concerned apart from one post in the Canon section all his posts are in the Olympus section.
Thankfully...
1) I've seen no more in the way of real stupidity from other brand fanboys in here than vice versa and as you said the mods have dealt with the real trolls pretty sharply...
2) The way LM wrote his post is more than a bit fanboy-ish in it's own right - as indeed have been many previous posts where any criticism of Oly seems to be treated almost as a personal affront. Perhaps more a case of not seeing the beam in one's own eye then?...
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Nigel
Completely BSRIPN
ElSid Gallery
A camera in the hand is more fun than one in the cupboard........
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El Sid
Going potty
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OK - it's GCSE communications time:
Question 1. Should ALL brand forums on the AP site be scrapped as irrelevant? Give at least three reasons for your answer.
Probably there is a case for not having brand specific areas. i feel that such a situation would mitigate against the self reinforcing nature of brand centred obsession. It's harder to become a fanboy in the face of overwhelming opposition.
On he other hand having brand specific areas does make it a lot easier to find opinions (accurate or not), help and information about your particular make/model. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that you won't find stuff from opinionated generalists there as well (who?....moi! ).
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Question 2. On any branded forum - should those 'maintaining' it be, if not actively partisan to the brand, at least not frequently and consistently dismissive of both the brand and its supporters? Discuss.
If by 'maintaining' you mean the normal occupations of a moderator then I'd say I don't think so. The art of moderation should be to ensure that balance is the norm. Those who are overly partisan for the brand need to be held in check just as much as those who are pointlessly negative - the danger of an overly partisan management system is that the forum becomes dangerously one sided and brand obsession becomes an unregulated self-defeating monster...
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Nigel
Completely BSRIPN
ElSid Gallery
A camera in the hand is more fun than one in the cupboard........
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El Sid
Going potty
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Not so quiet now... 
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Nigel
Completely BSRIPN
ElSid Gallery
A camera in the hand is more fun than one in the cupboard........
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Bone_Idle
Mr Maybe
Reged: 28/07/2006
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Loc: Bradford
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You know, I go away for a week and come back to a flurry of new activity.
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Nick
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Craftysnapper
enthusiast
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You know, I go away for a week and come back to a flurry of new activity.
Well if you have come back with some good pics then you have been more productive than this flurry of activaty has been. 
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Bone_Idle
Mr Maybe
Reged: 28/07/2006
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Loc: Bradford
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The weather was atrocious nearly all week. I think I have a few ok pictures, but most are a bit dull.
It's lovely round Whitby and Robinhoods bay, but when you're in a tent and it's blowing a gale and windy, it can be a bit grim!
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Nick
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Benchista
Wich Tyler
Reged: 11/08/2000
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Loc: Everywhere and nowhere, baby
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It's lovely round Whitby and Robinhoods bay, but when you're in a tent and it's blowing a gale and windy, it can be a bit grim!
You ain't kidding. When we did the Coast to Coast walk back in 1990, we could've finished a day earlier, but thought we would stop at Hawsker, do some washing, and stroll into Baytown in a leaisurely fashion in the morning. We hadn't reckoned with strong winds and torrential rain combining to soak everything in the tent, and it still being grim in the morning. D'oh!
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Craftysnapper
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The weather was atrocious nearly all week. I think I have a few ok pictures, but most are a bit dull.
It's lovely round Whitby and Robinhoods bay, but when you're in a tent and it's blowing a gale and windy, it can be a bit grim!
I hope its better when I'm up there for a week in a fortnights time!
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Bone_Idle
Mr Maybe
Reged: 28/07/2006
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Loc: Bradford
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I hope its better when I'm up there for a week in a fortnights time!
Fingers crossed for you. The one advantage was that it kept the crowds to a minimum and it was more pleasurable walkign around Whitby than when it's heaving!
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LordMinty
journeyman
Reged: 04/01/2007
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You missed my few posts regarding cleaning glass plate negs and the other few posts in the classic camera section discussing Exas and the merits of 300mm Prinz Galaxy lenses...!
On a more serious note I see the same old attitudes still seem to be very much prevalent, as if Olympus DSLRs owners are not worthy of association with AP.
I see my one post to the Canon section being used to suggest, indeed used to propgate the suggestion even, that I was actually stirring a flame war in there. Now why would someone do that?
Especially when in fact I was recommending that a poster wanting to buy a Canon 5D should try DigitalDepot to source one. If I'd know then what I know now, I wouldn't have even wasted my time pressing the keys to help another photographer, regardless of it's brand kudos.
So if this is 'forum moderation' AP-style, then AP and indeed it's owning publishing house can completely forget about any future custom from me. As it happens I'm also a subscriber to MiniWorld magazine, so no prizes what will be happening to my subscription renewal, it won't be getting renewed.
Can someone explain why I would, let alone why should, buy AP ever again, or visit this forum?
I'm sure if Canon owners suffered what we have to put up with in here there would have been an uproar by now.
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