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alandelph
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New to this and disheartened
      #659595 - 26/05/2008 18:00

first of all Hi to everyone (newbie here) be gentle please....

I have a new Canon 450D with the EF-S 18-55 mm IS and a Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD macro 1:2……….. I am not able to take good pictures with either lens whether in basic or creative zone. I use a tripod and I am completely lost. Is it I or is it the camera, or the lenses ???? Any ideas where I am going wrong ??
What would be a better lens?? I have a Fujifilm Finepix 6900 zoom, and get great results with it…… Please help as I am loosening it with the Canon


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FenModerator
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: alandelph]
      #659597 - 26/05/2008 18:07

Hi Alan,

"I am not able to take good pictures"

What do you mean by that? Do you mean they are blurred, too dark, too bright, not of good things?

Explain a little about what you mean and what you are doing so we can understand a bit better.

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alanS
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: alandelph]
      #659599 - 26/05/2008 18:14

Hello,

It might help to know what you see as the problem, is it that the pictures don't look as vibrant as you'd expect? What's the problem?

I think that in your position I'd read the manual and get to understand aperture, shutter speed, exposure, depth of field and ISO. Next, I'd select aperture priority (and a suitable aperture setting,) ISO 100, concentrate on subject and composition and then I'd shoot in RAW. Soz if you're already familiar with / doing these things.

After a little sympathetic processing on the pc I think you'll be happy with the results.

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OneTen
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: Fen]
      #659601 - 26/05/2008 18:16

Hi Alan and welcome to the forum. Are you able to upload some photos for us to have a look at, maybe open a flickr account. Hopefully you'll find it a friendly place here and gain a lot from yor visit. There's a wealth of knowledge to tap in to.

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Bawbee
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: alandelph]
      #659632 - 26/05/2008 19:53

If that's the same 'alandelph' that has posted the same query at EOS Forums (from Dalbeattie), you should have the idea now that more information is required from you before anyone can help you take better images.

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OakR
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: alandelph]
      #659666 - 26/05/2008 22:19

Hi Alan

As others have said if you give a little more info people more qualified than me will be able to help.

However I believe if you are using the 18-55 with the IS turned on and a tripod this may lead to problems, I don't have any IS lenses but I understand on a tripod this should be switched off.

Good luck

al


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beejaybee
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: OakR]
      #659690 - 26/05/2008 23:50

Quote:

However I believe if you are using the 18-55 with the IS turned on and a tripod this may lead to problems, I don't have any IS lenses but I understand on a tripod this should be switched off.




In my experience it makes b*gg*r all difference to the image for fractional second exposures. For longer exposures (several seconds) the giro will run down, in which case you may get an effect that looks like camera shake!!!!

There is also extra power consumption whenever the IS is used. Probably not enough to be worried about for a small light lens, but the manual for the 400/2.8 says approx. 20% extra power draw per shot.


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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: beejaybee]
      #659759 - 27/05/2008 11:02

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...but the manual for the 400/2.8 says approx. 20% extra power draw per shot.




On my 5D, I've found that the EF 300 f2.8L IS makes a very good battery tester when the IS is "ON". New BP511 batteries are OK, but the 2 year old original couldn't cope with more than a 2 or 3 shot burst before the camera closed down. Same 2 year old battery showed no symptoms with other lenses.

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alandelph
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: Malcolm_Stewart]
      #660527 - 29/05/2008 11:50

these are taken with the canon kit lens EF-S18-55mm on auto and close-up with flash, dull, rainy and overcast. As the creative settings are being left alone for now.

hand held, IS and AF = ON

settings or readings at F/4.5 1/60 iso 400 at 35mm

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll188/alandelph/IMG_1609.jpg http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll188/alandelph/IMG_1612.jpg

Edited by alandelph (29/05/2008 11:53)


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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: alandelph]
      #660530 - 29/05/2008 11:54

What's wrong with them?

I think all you need is practice and time.

The EF-S18-55mm isn't a Macro lens so you won't really be able to do close-up work.

Remember, your Finepix 6900 would do most of the work for you as it's more automated. The DSLR is a better tool, but you will need to work harder.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the camera is... it's the capabilities of the photographer

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IvorETower
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: Fen]
      #661256 - 31/05/2008 19:50

There's nothing wrong with the 2 pics in the links above, they are both great.. plenty of colour and detail etc

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hodgo
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: IvorETower]
      #668563 - 19/06/2008 11:24

I've had & probably still have though to a lesser degree now the same doubts about my photography, & I posted on here about them a few months ago.

All I can say is what I learnt from everyone has been valuable....

1) At times you look at your own work in too much of a critical way seeing only what the bad points are & ignoring the good.
2) Expectations are too high & you're not going to become a dab hand overnight.
3) keep practicing & post your results here & take in both the good & bad comments with equal measure.

Now I need to go & practice & remember what I learnt from the advice I was given.

Graham

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IvorETower
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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: hodgo]
      #668606 - 19/06/2008 12:42

Revisiting this thread.....
My photos all took on a dramatic improvement when I changed my monitor at home. Wonder what the OP is viewing his "disappointing" images on?

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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: alandelph]
      #668721 - 19/06/2008 16:56

I think the basic problem is one of perception. I have a Canon A540 and a Canon D30. Straight from the camera, the A540 takes much better pictures than the D30 (even allowing for the fact that the D30 only has 3.25mp against the A540's 6mp).

A digital compact processes the images more in-camera than a DSLR, so when you look at your downloaded files from your cameras, your Fujifilm 6900 files look better - but you will find that your 450D has more detail - you just have to work on the images to bring it out.

I think this is one of the major downfalls of digital imaging. On a film camera, loaded with slide film, an SLR would give much better results than a film compact, mainly down to the superior lens and more control over exposure, giving you what you expect straight from the camera.

Digital imaging doesn't seem to work this way - DSLRs give you detailed files which you have to work on to get the best results, digital compact do it for you, so initial results look better from the compact.

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Re: New to this and disheartened [Re: Roy5051]
      #668751 - 19/06/2008 17:58

Don't forget that the D30 doesn't exactly offer anything in the way of image customisation. I can set my 20D image parameters to easily mimic the output of a compact which I can't do with the D30. More recent models such as the 40D and 450D take this even further with 'Picture Styles' which can either be one of the preset offerings or a custom job set up specifically for you own monitor/printer/preference. Should make it a doddle to get print ready images.

Unfortunately the advertising campaigns for cameras such as the 450D aren't too hot on advising that a little bit more effort is required than the average point and shoot - almost the opposite in fact...........

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